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rmariani
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06-14-2005, 11:31 AM
Post subject: weak/smart fold?
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Straight
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too weak, smart fold or should I just check the turn?
Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (9 handed) converter
Preflop: Hero is MP3 with Q , Q .
4 folds, Hero raises, 2 folds, SB calls, 1 fold.
Flop: (5 SB) 4 , A, 2 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB calls.
Turn: (3.50 BB) K (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB raises, Hero folds.
Final Pot: 6.50 BB
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Phyl
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Without a read on SB I think this is perfect.
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pokerfanatic
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Originally Posted by Phyl
Without a read on SB I think this is perfect.
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nice play i'm impressed... 
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koolmoe
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Why not check the turn and call the river? It costs the same and you get a showdown.
I don't play .5/1, but I don't see many better hands that will fold to a river bet, and I don't see too many hands against which this is a value bet.
I'd want to give him a chance to bluff, plus I'd love a free card here.
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Phyl
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Originally Posted by koolmoe
Why not check the turn and call the river? It costs the same and you get a showdown.
I don't play .5/1, but I don't see many better hands that will fold to a river bet, and I don't see too many hands against which this is a value bet.
I'd want to give him a chance to bluff, plus I'd love a free card here.
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I'm guessing he was going to check behind on the river unimproved.
The reason I said 'without a read I think this is perfect' is because against aggressive players checking behind on the turn and calling a river bet is so much better. 0.5/1 players don't bluff often enough to make this play but they are loose, I can easily see villain calling with a lesser hand on the turn.
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pokerfanatic
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at .5/1 people play Kx and Ax too often to check call here IMO...
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koolmoe
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Originally Posted by pokerfanatic01
at .5/1 people play Kx and Ax too often to check call here IMO...
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So what's the value in betting the turn then?
At least if you check the turn and call a river bet you get a showdown for the same investment, and hands you beat are more likely to put in chips after you check the turn. That's how I'd play it at 5/10 without a read. Again, .5/1 may be a different story, but I'd want to know that this guy is going to showdown with any piece of the board before I bet the turn.
What's the value bet on the turn here? Some raggedy hand that caught a 4 or a 2?
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pokerfanatic
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I’m sorry I miss read what you said, I think betting out on the turn is to make 100% certainty that your beat because he will raise about 90% the time you are, so with no reads at all on that opponent you basically bet out to see where you are and if he raises I think you can let it go DUE TO what I stated in my previous post...
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Straight
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You're either WA/WB here. If he holds Ax, Kx you need big help - if he holds any pocket pair (other than a set), you're way ahead (and he will likey fold to your turn bet). Check through the turn, call the river - this lets a worse hand bluff or and a better hand win the least from you.
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koolmoe
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Originally Posted by pokerfanatic01
I’m sorry I miss read what you said, I think betting out on the turn is to make 100% certainty that your beat because he will raise about 90% the time you are, so with no reads at all on that opponent you basically bet out to see where you are and if he raises I think you can let it go DUE TO what I stated in my previous post...
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If your only reason to bet out is to fold if you are raised, then you should not bet and should instead prefer to take a showdown for the same price.
Better reasons to bet are to make a better hand fold (is Ax, Kx or better folding? Probably not.) or to make a drawing hand put in more chips (which may happen, but most rational players will fold hands QQ beats when the board holds an A and a K on the turn because Hero raised preflop).
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jmontis
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the check raise is a glaring 2 pair/trips or AA/KK Most players are so weak and passive that a turn raise is the nuts or 2 pair...
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