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Vulnerable Pocket Pair
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StarlightCoast
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05-11-2009, 05:27 AM
Post subject: Vulnerable Pocket Pair
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One Pair
Join Date: Jul 2005
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One area of my poker that i still get unsure of is cold calling raises with higher pocket pairs like 10-10 and JJ. This hand is a prime example.
PokerStars Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (10 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
Preflop: Hero is BB with J , J
2 folds, UTG+2 raises, 5 folds, SB 3-bets, Hero???
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Chopper
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: St. Louis, MO
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can you give more information about the hand?
is UTG loose/aggressive/passive/weak/in every hand? have you seen him show down weaker hands?
as played, a UTG raise is strong, a SB 3bet OF A UTG RAISE is stronger. i would probably call this and only follow through with an overpair or set. but, i cant turn down JJ in a 3bet pot where i also like TT-JJ, AK. but, i am not 4betting until i see QQ+/AKs. i may mix in some sc's if villains have proven to overplay big hands.
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vlmcs
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LawDude
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Full House
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I usually cap this. Not because I really, truly believe I am ahead most of the time. But because there's no real point in calling a 3-bet with JJ in this situation. The reality is that these guys are going to be betting the flop whether they have an overpair or not, so you are going to be forced to make a difficult decision as to whether you think they have anything or whether they are just c-betting.
A cap here gives you the initiative. A lot of times, they will check to you. Further, they will probably put you on aces or kings, which is never a bad thing. And you'd be surprised how many times, in limit, that people's 3-betting ranges are quite wide and your jacks are actually the best hand.
The next best thing to capping is probably folding, not calling. If you really do think you are behind, the only reason to stay in is to set-mine, and you are paying an awful lot to see the flop for that purpose.
AMENDMENT: I should amend this a bit. At lower stakes, a call isn't as bad a play as it is at the tables I normally play at. And that is because 3-betting ranges in lower stakes are all over the place, and also because lower stakes players are less likely to c-bet the flop with air. Under these circumstances, a call makes sense because you don't know where you are and are likely to be given a chance to find out on the flop before you are in too deep. Whereas, in a higher stakes game, you really have to decide whether you are going to fish or cut bait with a hand like this.
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Chopper
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Straight Flush
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agreed, lawdude. and, 50/1 online is different than 15/30 live, imo. but, again, we need READS on specific players.
we cant just go with "typical situation." because we will play a hand like this very differently depending on table texture and players, imo.
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LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.
Nothing beats flopping quads while dropping a duece!
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LawDude
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Full House
Join Date: Feb 2009
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Originally Posted by Chopper
agreed, lawdude. and, 50/1 online is different than 15/30 live, imo. but, again, we need READS on specific players.
we cant just go with "typical situation." because we will play a hand like this very differently depending on table texture and players, imo.
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Absolutely. Obviously if we are getting 3-bet by a total nit who only 3-bets aces or kings, we need to get out of the way. If it's a LAGG who 3-bets hands like KTo, it's a much better 4-bet.
I do think, however, that all other things being equal, calling makes more sense at lower stakes and raising or folding makes more sense at higher stakes. So that's what I would do if I had no reads.
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