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Col2000
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01-29-2008, 11:29 PM
Post subject: value betting in flush draw
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PokerStars 2/4 Hold'em (6 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
Preflop: Hero is CO with 9 , K.
UTG raises, MP calls, Hero calls, 1 fold, SB calls, BB calls.
Flop: (10 SB) 5, 3 , 3 (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets, MP calls, Hero calls, SB raises, BB calls, UTG 3-bets, MP folds, Hero calls, SB calls, BB calls.
Turn: (11.50 BB) 4 (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets, Hero calls, SB calls, BB calls.
River: (15.50 BB) T (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, SB calls, BB folds, UTG folds.
Final Pot: 17.5 BB
i have the pot odds right to raise the turn, how many would raise the turn for value. this table was ultra tight but i thought that calling this hand would encourage a multi pot which it did. I knew one of them had the kk and maybe AA or QQ still.
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KoRnholio
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You don't gain much from raising the turn. You'll just be shutting out hands that you want in to pay you off when you hit.
Raising the turn is also bad because if someone is slowplaying a boat or straight, you're going to get popped with a 3bet and often end up drawing heads up against the best hand.
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Muzzard
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01-30-2008, 12:06 AM
Post subject: Re: value betting in flush draw
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Col2000
I knew one of them had the kk and maybe AA or QQ still.
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Yeah coz preflop really suggests this! If one of them ACTUALLY had this you only know coz you saw the cards in the HH.
Flop ranges include 3x and draws, you cant raise the turn turn for value... Esp iff your amazing read puts them on QQ+ lol.
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Col2000
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Join Date: Nov 2007
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ok but if i raised and they all call then this would be ok to raise. ok the heads up guy at the end had the KK. I think my reads over rate there cards sometimes but there was a round where the raiser of this round raised, i reraised and he capped with QQ . he was playing very tight so i called down my JJ. I think i should have folded
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KoRnholio
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Col2000
ok but if i raised and they all call then this would be ok to raise
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Barely. But raising to make them all cold-call 2 bets will make people fold. Then add in a chance that someone will 3bet it and a raise is very poor here.
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