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Old 12-11-2006, 07:18 PM     Post subject: utg with qq gets capped #1 (permalink)  
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Villain sucks, but I'm not running a hud so I'm not sure just how bad.

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q, Q.
Hero raises, 1 fold, Button 3-bets, 2 folds, Hero caps, Button calls.

Flop: (9.50 SB) 3, K, 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (5.75 BB) 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero calls.

River: (7.75 BB) 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 9.75 BB
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Old 12-11-2006, 07:47 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Looks all right to me. I can't think of a clearly better line OOP. With no precise reads, I play it the same. Your check calling may be convincing 88-JJ that they are ahead here.
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Old 12-11-2006, 09:01 PM #3 (permalink)  
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Why check call instead of betting out the flop (and turn)?
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Why check call instead of betting out the flop (and turn)?
Villain isn't folding anything we beat. But might bet a worse hand.


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FWIW I think the river is the hardest part -- villains often don't bet there with anything I beat, whereas they do on the flop and turn.
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Villain isn't folding anything we beat. But might bet a worse hand.
Uh, if he isn't folding anything we beat why wouldn't we bet then?
You give him the chance to check behind with JJ/TT on the river.

I donk/fold turn and see what happens from there
If Im called on the turn I check/call the river to induce a bluff, if Im raised on the turn I lay it down.
I'd rather get some info OOP than just spew away another BB on this river.

Edit: I liked another line right after I hit submit
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FWIW I think the river is the hardest part -- villains often don't bet there with anything I beat, whereas they do on the flop and turn.
Unless you're just getting 3rd barrelled by AQ-
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Uh, if he isn't folding anything we beat why wouldn't we bet then?
You give him the chance to check behind with JJ/TT on the river.
A) The wording isnt very clear so I can see your confusion. We beat AQ here, but he's not calling with it. The best way to say it is we pretty much only get called by better hands.

B) Yeah, I do give him that chance. But I dont see any way to really extract value from them. Bet/folding is pretty spewy, as a K still ain't folding.

Check call, check call, donkbet is an idea. Folding to a river raise.
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FWIW I think the river is the hardest part -- villains often don't bet there with anything I beat, whereas they do on the flop and turn.
Unless you're just getting 3rd barrelled by AQ-
Pretty much never. I've shown strength preflop, and shown I'm probably not folding postflop. Very precious few will fire that third.
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FWIW I think the river is the hardest part -- villains often don't bet there with anything I beat, whereas they do on the flop and turn.
Unless you're just getting 3rd barrelled by AQ-
Pretty much never. I've shown strength preflop, and shown I'm probably not folding postflop. Very precious few will fire that third.
Heh, I would bet AQ on the river here if there was a chance you fold QQ. 1/8 might be a good choice.


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 FWIW I think we are really overestimating the ability of your competition and their possible holdings. I would assume a poor player at these levels unless told otherwise.
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FWIW I think the river is the hardest part -- villains often don't bet there with anything I beat, whereas they do on the flop and turn.
Unless you're just getting 3rd barrelled by AQ-
Pretty much never. I've shown strength preflop, and shown I'm probably not folding postflop. Very precious few will fire that third.
Heh, I would bet AQ on the river here if there was a chance you fold QQ. 1/8 might be a good choice.
Yeah. You would, you spewy bastard ;]

Its for that reason I think I like the classic wa/wb line here. c/c c/c donk
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