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LeFou
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05-29-2005, 07:19 PM
Post subject: UTG+1
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This position's always been a little weird for me. Conflicting incentives...
-I don't like open limping here. I like to set the tone by getting into it immediately with a strong hand.
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-This is a great spot to limp the above-average drawing hands (98s, Q9s, T8s? etc.) If you get even one limper after you, the pot odds are nice even if it's raised in back. Usually the number of players attracted by the size of the pot helps you out.
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-If not ... say it folds to LP or button, who raises, you can't be real happy. SSH calls this stuff playable in EP without a raise, and that you'll have to (already crying) call a raise behind because of the pot size. But how big?
One solution I've had is to base it on what UTG does. If heshe calls, I'll muck stuff like this -- UTG's plausible range is just flat out superior to these cards. But if UTG folds I limp and cross my fingers. Raised in back, I'll drop it unless at least one of the blinds is with us -- that way I'll have position on at least one player for god's sake.
Your thoughts?
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Nehmer
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05-29-2005, 07:28 PM
Post subject: Re: UTG+1
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Full House
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Originally Posted by LeFou
-This is a great spot to limp the above-average drawing hands (98s, Q9s, T8s? etc.) If you get even one limper after you, the pot odds are nice even if it's raised in back. Usually the number of players attracted by the size of the pot helps you out.
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No way do I even consider playing any of those hands from UTG+1 in anything, but the worst possible tables...Probably not even then.
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LeFou
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05-29-2005, 07:39 PM
Post subject: Re: UTG+1
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Originally Posted by Nehmer
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Originally Posted by LeFou
-This is a great spot to limp the above-average drawing hands (98s, Q9s, T8s? etc.) If you get even one limper after you, the pot odds are nice even if it's raised in back. Usually the number of players attracted by the size of the pot helps you out.
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No way do I even consider playing any of those hands from UTG+1 in anything, but the worst possible tables...Probably not even then. |
I think you're missing out.
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Room
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05-29-2005, 11:31 PM
Post subject: Re: UTG+1
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Originally Posted by Nehmer
No way do I even consider playing any of those hands from UTG+1 in anything, but the worst possible tables...Probably not even then.
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I'm with you. You can be easily dominated by hands being raised behind you and will be out of position for the entire hand. The table has to be super loose passive preflop, as well as 5-7 way on the flop, for me to think about limping in EP with marginal hands.
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Fnord
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I'm folding JTs UTG these days unless I know there are multiple fish in the water.
In a multi-pot, UTG is IMHO a WORSE position than the SB.
When I look to add hands, I'm looking for button/co limps, isolation raises, selective 3-bets, blind theft and blind defense.
A while ago I started tracking the amount of profit I make from limping. I was under-whelmed
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Xanadu
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I think your thinking backwards on responding to what UTG does. The extra bet gives you better odds, the fold gives you worse odds. What do you care if he has Aces, you're going for a straight or a flush. But, aside from that, UTG +1 is way too early to play most of those hands. If the table typically has 6 see the flop I'll play Axs and suited connectors down to T9. No one gappers. On a tight table, most of these hands are folds. On a table with 4 seeing the flop on average, most of these hands are probably folds.
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