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koolmoe
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01-08-2006, 06:34 PM
Post subject: Unusual turn circumstance
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UTG+1 and MP1 are the soft spots in this game.
BB: 19/7/0.9
UTG: 26/11.5/1.2
UTG+1: 46/0/0.2 (only 15 hands)
MP1: 56/5/0.3
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Preflop: Hero is SB with A , Q.
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, 2 folds, Button calls, Hero raises, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, Button calls.
Flop: (12 SB) T, 8, 2 (6 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, Button folds.
Turn: (8.50 BB) Q (5 players)
Hero bets, BB raises, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 folds, Hero ???
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StinkyBeaver
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So there are 4 more opponents besides yourself. It's pretty close that you can raise this for value b/c of your flushdraw however since there are so many callers this might indicate that some of your outs are in the hands of the coldcallers. Could be at least.
I can see you did raise this but I'm not sure wether it's the right decission, based upon BB's aggressiveness/tightness.
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pokerfanatic
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easy 3 bet to me... looking that your name is red that's what you did too 
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koolmoe
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ooops.
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elipsesjeff
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I dont think I'm raising this here.
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pokerfanatic
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by elipsesjeff
I dont think I'm raising this here.
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why?
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jmontis
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call, looks like you need that flush to win. flop call -> turn raise is either a stone cold bluff(not likely) or he has you beat big time
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take your ego out of the equation and judge the situation dispassionately
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koolmoe
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Even when behind to a set or a straight, I have 8 clean outs, so a raise is costing me at most (0.25-8/46)*$60 = $4.56 if BB caps it. If I am behind J9 and the 2s is good, it only costs me $3.26. If outs to the Q and A are good as well, raising nets me $3.26. However, I think I am behind QT, a set, or J9 much more than 50% of the time, so raising is clearly not the best play.
If MP1 calls along, I have a little more incentive to raise, but it will still rarely be profitable to do so.
I thought at the time I made this play (three betting the turn) that it was a good one. These are the kind of spots (good looking but very vulnerable hand against a passive opponent that raises) that I am trying to reign in my aggression a little.
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i don't like the raise here. judging from the flop and turn action, you probably have half the spade outs you should have...
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koolmoe
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by |~|ypermegachi
i don't like the raise here. judging from the flop and turn action, you probably have half the spade outs you should have...
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I'm not sure you can reasonably make this assumption given the opponents. It's a bad habit, anyway.
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