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Old 09-23-2008, 09:22 PM     Post subject: UI overcards oop.. #1 (permalink)  
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0.25/0.5 Limit Holdem
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Stacks:
UTG ($12.75)
UTG+1 ($9.75)
CO ($50.75)
BTN ($8.10)
Hero ($12.70)
BB ($13.65)

Pre-flop: (1.4 SB, 6 players) Hero is SB
UTG calls, 1 fold, CO calls, 1 fold, Hero calls, BB checks

Flop: (4.0 SB, 4 players)
Hero checks, BB bets, 2 folds, Hero calls

Turn: (3.0 BB, 2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets, Hero calls

River: (5.0 BB, 2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets, Hero calls

Final Pot: 7.0 BB
Hero shows:
BB shows:

Hero wins 6.7 BB ( won +3.7 BB )
CO lost 0.5 BB
BB lost 3.0 BB
UTG lost 0.5 BB


i wondered if by calling down, i was profitable if i knew i was behind the 9. turns out i wasnt.....but its closer than i ever thought.

add in the fact i probably should have c/r'ed the river, or led it....i prolly WAS profitable if i can get that extra bet. not to mention this guy was aggro and i didnt know i was behind. he would play two unpaired overs the same way, so it was possible i was ahead.

add all that up and, against aggros, in a raised pot, i think you can probably call down AQ/AK profitably if its HU. it certainly cant be hugely unprofitable.

i know this was a limped pot....but 4way, its close to a HU raised pot....which is why i was wondering.

does that make any sense?
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Old 09-23-2008, 09:50 PM #2 (permalink)  
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 Raise PF fo sho

either bet or c/r the river yo, it's limit and you have the toppest pair.
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Old 09-23-2008, 10:33 PM #3 (permalink)  
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Raise PF. AQ is huge against two limpers.

As played, definitely fold the turn. Getting 4:1 with six outs, blech.

As played, you need to either lead out or c/r the river. I probably lead out unless he's aggro, in which case I try for a c/r. C/c is definitely worst option.
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Old 09-23-2008, 11:45 PM #4 (permalink)  
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obv, its not a hand i am super proud of.....but then very few that i post are. i am just trying to open my thinking a bit beyond "what do i hold and what does he hold?" i think i have a handle on range assessment, but couldnt tell you specifically what any particular opponent's range is in a hand. i hope i am getting towards understanding ranges, profitability vs a player, and adjusting accordingly. albeit very slowly. hopefully, this leads to better/deeper questions.

i havent liked raising offsuit hands like these when in the blinds lately. i dont know why. i just feel better with them in smaller pots vs the stakes i play and said stakes' wide range of hands in multiway pots. i know its a huge advantage pf, but i think they may overplay dominated hands enough that i make more post flop. this AQ hand, among others, doesnt get any folds when i raise, and i dont like it post flop oop in a 4way pot.

i assume KQ is better for that thinking than AQ?

and, with a villain that was fairly aggro, that i dont have much history with, as played....do we worry about him having a 4 or shitty 2pr because of the way we played this hand...therefore, 3betting if we c/r? that was the main reason i simply c/c'd....however, i realize how bad that was. i just wasnt too confident in where i was based on how i played the hand.

sadly, i still felt this was a major coup for me, personally. obv, it needs a ton of refinement.
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Old 09-24-2008, 05:22 AM #5 (permalink)  
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raise pf, AQo+ in that situation
i also would raise AJo, but thats me
less than that, offsuit, in "that kind of game" can be very tricky oop
i would lead river
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Old 09-24-2008, 05:22 AM #6 (permalink)  
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btw, when he leads into 3players, hard to believe he doesnt have a pair
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Old 09-24-2008, 12:41 PM #7 (permalink)  
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btw, when he leads into 3players, hard to believe he doesnt have a pair
i am finally beginning to believe that the numbers of players affects chronic bluffers' frequencies, too.

but, here i see an aggro villain taking a shot on this board, even into three players (probably because i used to do that myself). and, that turn card just looked like a good card to follow up and 2barrel...it paired the board and he may have picked up a FD. if i cbet that flop, i certainly follow up there (i dont like to, but i feel i have to if i want any chance at selling something of strength.)

and, after all this discussion, i primarily felt he was full of shit, but beat almost any pair the he could be betting with that Q.
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