Originally Posted by Shark Bait

Like AQo, AJo, ATo, ATs, 99, etc. Seems like the only time I get a raise in is in EP and then I have a couple cold callers so I'm still in bad position.

Originally Posted by Trikflow77

Ive never had a 200bb swing at party 2/4, it seems too soft for that to happen very often......

Originally Posted by Shark Bait

You open raise with 77...how often does that win?

Originally Posted by hyper

steal thrice as much

Originally Posted by A'aag

Originally Posted by |~|ypermegachi

one step at a time. if he tries to play Fnord's style he will likely go on a even bigger downswing due to being way too uncomfortable.

from those stats Fnord is using conservative 6max stats in a full ring game.

Originally Posted by Fnord

Oh, if Maynard62N ever sits at your table, remember:

Say "HI MAYNARD" when he sits down.
Say "NH MAYNARD" when he raises pre-flop.

He really likes it when you do that.

Originally Posted by Shark Bait

On stealing:
I'll admit...I have nearly given up on stealing. I just do not understand how this can be profitable. Everyone knows what blind stealing is, they will 3 bet your raise with crap, check raise on the turn with anything and call down with bottom pair. I find myself risking 3-4 big bets in an attempt to steal less than 1.

Originally Posted by koolmoe

Get a HUD (PokerAce, perhaps) and target the guys that fold their SB more than 75% and their BB more than 60%. Even the most timid player should be able to profit from raising these blinds, especially with position.

The key to stealing is to know your opponent and adjust accordingly.

Originally Posted by Ltrain

You can play more straight forward with a poor player, but will have to go to level 3 thinking sometimes against good players (which they will not expect at this level in a full ring) and be willing to take the aggressive risk.

Originally Posted by euphoricism

Once in a while it'll go like this:
Dealt to Hero: Any two
Everyone folds to Hero
Hero Raises, SB calls, BB calls (Hero says, "fuck")
Flop: Doesn't help hero.
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, SB folds, BB calls
Turn: Doesnt help.
BB checks, Hero checks behind
River: Doesn't help.
BB bets, Hero folds.

Originally Posted by pokerfanatic

this sounds like a who to tilt and how comment Fnord...

Originally Posted by euphoricism

A typical hand goes like this:
Hero has Any Two
8 folds, Hero raises
SB folds, BB calls.
Flop: Doesn't Matter
BB checks, Hero bets, BB folds.

Originally Posted by Shark Bait

from my experience, it rarely goes like this.

Originally Posted by Shark Bait

from my experience, it rarely goes like this.

Originally Posted by Ltrain

You can play more straight forward with a poor player, but will have to go to level 3 thinking sometimes against good players (which they will not expect at this level in a full ring) and be willing to take the aggressive risk.

Originally Posted by Ltrain

you can't just automatically fold because the blinds play back at you, because your actions are encouraging them to do it.

Originally Posted by Shark Bait

well I think I've discovered what may be the problem, for me at least. The players on UB are mostly TAPs. They are easy to beat up on and call to the river when they are severely behind. They often fold to continuation bets and are just very passive/weak.

typical players are 20/7/1.5 and 30/3/1.0

Basically you see the traditional TAGs and the ATMs that play too many hands and never show any aggression.

Party seems to be the opposite. At least the players I'm sitting with are. Most of them are very LAGgy. 15% PFR is common. Add in the also common "raise every hand and lose $200 in 30 minutes" player and things just go crazy.

Clearly the style of play that I have been using at UB, which is admittedly weaker than most players on FTR, is not working at party. I took a short break from party and went back to UB and it was just as easy as it always was, but the number of tables with players is just not enough for a serious online player.

I think the issues concerning my play have been addressed in this thread, it will just take me some time to adjust and see how it works out. But if anyone cares, this style was good for at least 3BB/100 at UB 1/2.

A lot of people have also mentioned seat selection, which I either don't do or have difficulty doing well. If I have time, I try to find a spot with several tight players to my left. Is this at least a good start? I know there's a lot more to it than that, and I'm not asking anyone to go into great detail since it's already been covered.

I do want to end up at party though...it will just take some time.

Originally Posted by euphoricism

Youre following the, "I want to play better players because they are easier because they know what they're doing" line. Its wrong, its false, youre fooling yourself, and hurting your winrate.

I remember UB being a bitch. Way too tight passive to pay you.

Seat selection: Below 2/4 I didn't worry too much about it. At 2/4, i've found it vital. Pay the $10 and get PokerEDGE. It works at UB if youre so insistant on playing there. Look for a table with as many fish as possible. Get the tightys on your left, and the fish on your right. The money will follow.

Originally Posted by euphoricism

*yawn* Standard.

Originally Posted by Shark Bait

Exactly. Except this is how most hands have gone. How can I go to showdown 32% and only win 40% or less? Yeah everyone gets these all the time, but a majority of my hands end up like that, or I win the worlds smallest pot. The only other place I would say the money is going is that I rarely get paid off on my monsters. OK, it's about small pots...but you still need those monster hands winning something.

I played 250 hands tonight and only paid $5 in rake. That's how good it was.

yuck...even I'm starting to get sick of my whining.

Originally Posted by Shark Bait

OK, it's about small pots...but you still need those monster hands winning something.

Originally Posted by euphoricism

Several would say the exact opposite is true. The small pots pay the rake and keep you even. The big hands are the profit. Looking at my database, there seems to be some truth to that.