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Old 08-29-2005, 07:58 AM     Post subject: Two super duper hands #1 (permalink)  
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How come whenever I have two draws, neither of them come? Turn bet is good? Maybe 3 bet? I have about 53 outs, but the number of times none of them come on hands like this is amazing.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 9, 7.
2 folds, UTG+2 calls, 6 folds, Hero checks.

Flop: (2.50 SB) K, A, 8 (2 players)
Hero bets, UTG+2 raises, Hero calls.

Turn: (3.25 BB) 6 (2 players)
Hero bets, UTG+2 raises, Hero calls.

River: (7.25 BB) 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+2 bets, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 8.25 BB

Here's a real ugly one. OK I have bottom pair, backdoor flush and straight draws. Is it worth it to call one bet here? Yeah it's real bad...but bad is good right? I'm gunna say the size of the pot really decides this, and 6 small bets isn't enough?

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 3, T.
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, 5 folds, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (4 SB) 3, 9, J (4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG bets, UTG+1 calls, SB folds, Hero folds.
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Old 08-29-2005, 09:28 AM #2 (permalink)  
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In the 1st hand you are out of position, heads up, in a small pot chasing a draw. Why bet the flop ? You are contributing 50% of the money to the pot where you will win ~30% of the time. Having limped pf I would check / fold on the flop.

2nd hand is easy fold. Pot is way too small to chase weak draws.
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Old 08-29-2005, 02:31 PM #3 (permalink)  
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Originally Posted by sinky
In the 1st hand you are out of position, heads up, in a small pot chasing a draw. Why bet the flop ? You are contributing 50% of the money to the pot where you will win ~30% of the time.
Getting called is obviously -EV but can be made up for by the times villain folds and Hero collects the 2.5SB pot. I can't be bothered doing the math but I think this is a good spot for a semi-bluff against not so loose players.

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Having limped pf I would check / fold on the flop.
Hero definitely wants to see the turn here he has 9 outs and is just worse than 4-1 to hit one of them on the turn. If it went check bet then the pot is offering 3.5-1 and since Hero can expect implied odds of more than one bet this is an easy call.

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Turn bet is good? Maybe 3 bet?
No you do not have an equity edge here and should have check/called. You have 15 outs which with one card to come gives you about 33% equity, since you have no folding equity here you'd need more than 50% equity to make a bet or a 3-bet +EV.

I'd fold the second hand. Even though you're closing the action and the 3c and Tc are no longer in the deck your hand is just too crappy and vunerable to redraws.
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Old 08-29-2005, 03:44 PM #4 (permalink)  
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In the 1st hand you are out of position, heads up, in a small pot chasing a draw. Why bet the flop ? You are contributing 50% of the money to the pot where you will win ~30% of the time.
Getting called is obviously -EV but can be made up for by the times villain folds and Hero collects the 2.5SB pot. I can't be bothered doing the math but I think this is a good spot for a semi-bluff against not so loose players.
I think opponent would have to fold about 30% of the time to make this +EV.
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Old 08-29-2005, 09:05 PM #5 (permalink)  
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first hand 3bet the flop
if it's bet and raised on the turn, fold


second hand good fold
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Old 08-29-2005, 10:42 PM #6 (permalink)  
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first hand 3bet the flop
if it's bet and raised on the turn, fold
Dude, did you misread the hand?

On the flop he doesn't have an equity edge and has little folding equity against someone who raised an AK flop. Folding on the turn is beyond terrible.
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