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Old 09-20-2005, 01:17 AM     Post subject: Two laydowns. Too weak? #1 (permalink)  
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Hand 1:

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Preflop: Hero is MP3 with T, T.
UTG calls, 1 fold, MP1 calls, 1 fold, Hero calls, 2 folds, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (5 SB) 7, A, 8 (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, MP1 bets, Hero calls, SB folds, BB raises, UTG calls, MP1 3-bets, Hero folds, BB calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (7.50 BB) 7 (3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, MP1 checks.

River: (7.50 BB) 7 (3 players)
BB bets, UTG calls, MP1 folds.

Final Pot: 9.50 BB

Hand 2:

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with K, A. MP3 posts a blind of $0.50.
UTG calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, 5 folds, UTG calls.

Flop: (10.50 SB) 5, 9, K (4 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets, MP1 raises, MP2 calls, UTG folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (8.25 BB) Q (3 players)
Hero bets, MP1 raises, MP2 3-bets, Hero folds, MP1 caps, MP2 folds.

Final Pot: 16.25 BB
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Old 09-20-2005, 01:19 AM #2 (permalink)  
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Too passive on the cheap streets.

Hand 1: Raise pre-flop. On the flop I would either raise it up or fold right there.
Hand 2: 3-bet the flop, the stop'n'go puts less money in the pot when you are more likely to have the best hand and does less to define MP's hand.
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Too passive on the cheap streets.

Hand 2: 3-bet the flop, the stop'n'go puts less money in the pot when you are more likely to have the best hand and does less to define MP's hand.
OK-- betting likely gets capped on the flop if I 3-bet. If I bet the turn and get raised again with MP2 3-betting do you cap (and call to 1 bet on the river but fold to 2), call, or fold? I figured at least one or both of them to have a set, K9, or KQ even if one was donk betting. Am I giving them too much credit for a hand here?
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Too passive on the cheap streets.

Hand 2: 3-bet the flop, the stop'n'go puts less money in the pot when you are more likely to have the best hand and does less to define MP's hand.
OK-- betting likely gets capped on the flop if I 3-bet. If I bet the turn and get raised again with MP2 3-betting do you cap (and call to 1 bet on the river but fold to 2), call, or fold? I figured at least one or both of them to have a set, K9, or KQ even if one was donk betting. Am I giving them too much credit for a hand here?
Given the action and the stakes I'd say you're ahead 50% of the time in hand 2
Too many times have I seen KT bet that way
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Given the action and the stakes I'd say you're ahead 50% of the time in hand 2
Too many times have I seen KT bet that way
75% at least.
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Old 09-20-2005, 09:45 PM #6 (permalink)  
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Thanks, guys. Every once in a while I run into a stronger player on the .50 tables and I start giving the average player there too much credit.

Well, I checked 0ut the small sampling of hand histories (19) I had for MP1 and MP2 on PokerOffice and now I'm sure I was donked out of that hand given the high percentage of hands they both played.

Damn.

I had stopped using PO's live tracker feature a while ago during the PokerEdge scare (not understanding what PE actually did and thinking that it was like PO and PT). Since PO is not much different than PokerTracker and figuring out how different PE was from those two, it looks like I'll be turning it back on so I can minimize getting donked out by the maniacs.

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