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Old 12-20-2005, 05:24 PM     Post subject: Two High PP hands #1 (permalink)  
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For both hands, is there a place where I should just give up the hand or at least find a way to protect it better?

Hand #1:

SB is 83/0/0.19 (passive post-flop) after 12 hands
MP2 is 50/8/1.50 (semi-aggressive post-flop) after 12 hands

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Preflop: Hero is MP3 with Q, Q.
UTG calls, 2 folds, MP2 raises, Hero 3-bets, 2 folds, SB calls, 1 fold, UTG calls, MP2 caps, Hero calls, SB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (17 SB) J, 4, J (4 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, MP2 bets, Hero raises, SB calls, UTG folds, MP2 calls.

Turn: (11.50 BB) 5 (3 players)
SB checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets, SB calls, MP2 calls.

River: (14.50 BB) A (3 players)
SB bets, MP2 calls, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 17.50 BB

Hand 2:

UTG+2 is 83/0/0.19 (passive post-flop) after 12 hands
MP1 is 36/0/1.00 (passive post-flop) after 14 hands
MP3 is 23/13/0.70 (passive post-flop) after 48 hands

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Preflop: Hero is SB with K, K.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 raises, 1 fold, Button calls, Hero 3-bets, 1 fold, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, Button folds.

Flop: (21 SB) 8, 6, J (6 players)
Hero bets, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, MP3 calls.

Turn: (12.50 BB) 2 (4 players)
Hero bets, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, MP3 calls.

River: (16.50 BB) A (4 players)
Hero checks, UTG+2 checks, MP1 bets, MP3 calls, Hero calls, UTG+2 folds.

Final Pot: 19.50 BB
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Old 12-20-2005, 06:05 PM #2 (permalink)  
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hand 1: the pot is inflated, i'm not sure if calling was right on the river because SB is passive post flop

hand 2: fire out the river to see where you really stand
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Old 12-20-2005, 09:50 PM #3 (permalink)  
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Would anyone ever try for a check raise on that flop in hand 2 to try and cut the field? Or just grit your teeth and lead into that army of callers?
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Old 12-20-2005, 11:51 PM #4 (permalink)  
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Hand 2: I would probably go for the C/R on the Flop, considering that MP3 was the initial pre-flop raiser, and will now probably bet. Considering that he has 0% PFR's in 48 hands makes me think he's got a strong holding. Maybe QQ or A-broadway suited because he didn't reraise Preflop?


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Old 12-20-2005, 11:55 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Hand 2: I would probably go for the C/R on the Flop, considering that MP3 was the initial pre-flop raiser, and will now probably bet. Considering that he has 0% PFR's in 48 hands makes me think he's got a strong holding. Maybe QQ or A-broadway suited because he didn't reraise Preflop?


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That was a typo on my part. I put another slash where I should have put a decimal point, so MP3's PFR% was 13.

Still, your point's valid. He most likely would have bet had I checked. Duly noted.
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Would anyone ever try for a check raise on that flop in hand 2 to try and cut the field? Or just grit your teeth and lead into that army of callers?
Not even two bets is going to stop that army of callers--they all have great odds to chase anything even for two bets. Since MP3 sitting immediately to your right showed aggression preflop, you can probably count on him to bet if you show weakness. With this in mind I check/call the flop then check/raise the turn. You want to keep the pot as small as possible on the flop so that when you force most of the field to make a decision for 2BB on the turn they can't correctly call with holdings like gutshots. I think this is the only way to effectively protect your hand, and I believe it is the most +EV way to play this hand.
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Old 12-21-2005, 01:31 AM #7 (permalink)  
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Would anyone ever try for a check raise on that flop in hand 2 to try and cut the field? Or just grit your teeth and lead into that army of callers?
Not even two bets is going to stop that army of callers--they all have great odds to chase anything even for two bets. Since MP3 sitting immediately to your right showed aggression preflop, you can probably count on him to bet if you show weakness. With this in mind I check/call the flop then check/raise the turn. You want to keep the pot as small as possible on the flop so that when you force most of the field to make a decision for 2BB on the turn they can't correctly call with holdings like gutshots. I think this is the only way to effectively protect your hand, and I believe it is the most +EV way to play this hand.
You know, I've never thought of it that way before... purposely keeping the pot small to ruin odds in later rounds. Granted, it's standard poker theory, and I should know this, but... I think this is one of my bigger leaks now that I think about it. Thanks!
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You know, I've never thought of it that way before... purposely keeping the pot small to ruin odds in later rounds. Granted, it's standard poker theory, and I should know this, but... I think this is one of my bigger leaks now that I think about it. Thanks!
Don't thank me. Thank SSH pages 163-165.
And these situations come up rarely enough that it can't really be a big leak.
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*Opens SSH to pages 163-165 and slowly reads*

*smacks forehead*

You're right. Damn, every time I read this section I must have spaced out. Geez...

Still, I appreciate you pointing this out to me, since now I actually understand this concept since I have my own real-world example to look at.
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At .10/.20 do you think the other players at the table are considering pot odds?
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