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Hermann the Lombard

09-16-2007, 05:32 AM Post subject: Two flush draws

#1 (permalink)

Flush

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First hand:
PokerStars 0.02/0.04 Hold'em (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 4

, J

. CO posts a blind of $0.03.
2 folds, MP1 calls, 1 fold, MP3 calls, CO (poster) checks, Button calls, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (6.50 SB) K

, 9

, 6

(6 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, MP1 calls, MP3 folds, CO calls, Button folds, SB calls.

Turn: (5.25 BB) 7

(4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, MP1 raises, CO folds, SB folds, Hero calls.

River: (9.25 BB) 9

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 9.25 BB
I was ostensibly betting for value until the flush didn't come in. My call on the turn seems especially dubious.

The second hand was later in the same session.
PokerStars 0.02/0.04 Hold'em (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A

, 8

.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, 1 fold, CO calls, 1 fold, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (5 SB) 2

, 7

, 9

(5 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, CO bets, Hero calls, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls.

Turn: (5 BB) 7

(5 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, CO bets, Hero calls, BB folds, UTG+1 calls, MP1 folds.

River: (8 BB) 7

(3 players)
Hero bets, UTG+1 folds, CO calls.

Final Pot: 10 BB

Afterwards I felt like I had been totally focused on my hand and my possibilities and totally oblivious to what the villain might have. Well, I was oblivious but were my actions that bad even if my thought process was?

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DrivingDog

09-16-2007, 08:37 AM

#2 (permalink)

Full House

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Hand1: Betting a draw on the turn is only useful if you think everyone may fold to a bet. Against three opponents at this level that will happen about 0.001% of the time. Check and call.

Hand2: You're behind any 2, 7, 9, or pp here on the river. Check and make a crying call. Fold to a bet and a raise.

"You can fool some of the people all of the time, and those are the ones you want to concentrate on." (George Bush).

daven

09-16-2007, 11:52 AM

#3 (permalink)

Straight Flush

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Hand 1) Your draw is not to that strong a flush, as soon as you get callers here you should suspect you could be drawing dead. Be careful. Whenever there's an ace or king then betting from the big blind is unlikely to win you the pot. I try and see the turn and river for free, and if a club hits I tread lightly...
Hand 2) check call or check fold this river. Be careful with paired boards and flushes, be even more careful when trips are on the board

don't raise with the straight flush bro, nobody ever gonna call that shit
allin, reload, repeat

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Hermann the Lombard

09-17-2007, 12:45 AM

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Flush

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Posts: 270

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrivingDog

Hand1: Betting a draw on the turn is only useful if you think everyone may fold to a bet. Against three opponents at this level that will happen about 0.001% of the time. Check and call.

How about if I was drawing to the nuts and thought I might get all three opponents to call? [Assume that we don't have a paired board.] Wouldn't that be a +EV bet?

Meanwhile, on #2 I guess it was stupid to bet that river!

daven

09-17-2007, 01:04 AM

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Straight Flush

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Remember this?
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...oker-60040.htm

and especially

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

If you never jammed a draw on the turn, you're at worst making a trivial error.

DrivingDog

09-17-2007, 10:16 AM

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Full House

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Location: UK

Posts: 923

You're 35% likely to complete the flush with two cards to come and 19% likely with one card to come. Since your putting in 25% of the bets with three opponents, every bet that goes in on the flop is +EV and every bet that goes in on the turn is -EV.

"You can fool some of the people all of the time, and those are the ones you want to concentrate on." (George Bush).

Hermann the Lombard

09-17-2007, 09:11 PM

#7 (permalink)

Flush

Join Date: Aug 2007

Posts: 270

Thanks. I suppose it's kiddie level EV calc but I didn't think it through.

Quote:

Originally Posted by daven

Remember this?
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...oker-60040.htm

Sorry, Daven, my memory doesn't go back that far (one whole week) anymore.

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