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Old 02-12-2010, 03:39 AM     Post subject: Turn spots: I can't fold, but should I shove? #1 (permalink)  
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Obviously I can't go anywhere on the turn, but these spots seem tricky when I can't fold but have no fold equity. (As it turns out, if I could see villain's hand, I would definitely always shove, but...)

This is from rush poker but I had seen villain show down solid hands when raising preflop and play decently postflop. I'm sorta just getting used to the idea that I can have this much equity on monster draws even on the turn...the question is, do I make more by just calling and folding when I miss? Or, against competent villains who can fold a big hand when I make mine, am I better getting all the money in now? Would it make a difference if it were a black 5?

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Pre-Flop: ($0.75, 6 players) Hero is BTN
UTG calls $0.50, UTG+1 calls $0.50, CO raises to $2.50, Hero calls $2.50, 2 folds, UTG calls $2, UTG+1 folds

Flop: ($8.75, 3 players)
UTG checks, CO bets $8.50, Hero calls $8.50, UTG folds

Turn: ($25.75, 2 players)
CO bets $12.85, [color=#cc0000][b]Hero goes all-in?
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Old 02-12-2010, 04:13 AM #2 (permalink)  
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another one////'I suppose this is more clear-cut and simple since I have top 2, but multiway, seems there's a good chance one of my flush draws aren't good"....is preflop terrible? since this is $25 PLO I suppose there's a good chance both are drawing pretty damn thin....

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Pre-Flop: ($0.35, 6 players) Hero is BTN
UTG raises to $0.85, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.85, SB calls $0.75, 1 fold

Flop: ($2.80, 3 players)
SB checks, UTG bets $1.56, Hero calls $1.56, SB calls $1.56

Turn: ($7.48, 3 players)
SB checks, UTG bets $7.48, Hero goes all-in $22.59, SB calls $22.59, UTG goes all-in $3.45
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Old 02-12-2010, 04:24 AM #3 (permalink)  
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 fwiw i would raise flop in 1?, as played call at least your certainly getting the right price.

Second one seems ok to me?



 
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Old 02-12-2010, 04:43 AM #4 (permalink)  
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 1) I would fold or 3 bet pre, I would raise or fold flop but I guess this is not too bad. jam now, lord man, it's the 5d. I don't see why he can't fold for 30 more, and i mean who cares, the 5d came.

black 5 just call is OK i think, he will pay off wheel cards for sure. shoving is still fine, I don't think he leads this size with a set very often, if so oh well. he may even bet fold two pair

2) looks good
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First one, I thought villain's hand was something like AAJhTh or QQJT, hands that I don't have hugegreat equity against...as it turns out, he had KJT8 with hearts, so I was never behind.

I was wondering if raising flop is better in second hand, to push SB off a marginal hand that's currently beating me and since PFR is UTG, meaning he could potentially have just AA/no draw.
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Old 02-12-2010, 02:18 PM #6 (permalink)  

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1) I would push since it is not a certainty you're not having fold equity.
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