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Nehmer
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06-01-2005, 06:12 PM
Post subject: Is this turn fold ok?
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Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (9 handed) converter
Preflop: Hero is Button with K , Q .
UTG calls, 1 fold, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, 2 folds, Hero calls, SB completes, BB checks.
Flop: (6 SB) 2, 8, K (6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets, MP1 folds, MP2 raises, Hero 3-bets, SB folds, BB folds, UTG calls, MP2 calls.
Turn: (7.50 BB) 3 (3 players)
UTG bets, MP2 raises, Hero folds, UTG calls.
River: (11.50 BB) Q (2 players)
UTG checks, MP2 checks.
Final Pot: 11.50 BB
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euphoricism
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Looking at the river is hindsight. That Q doesn't make the fold any better or worse, you have to work with the information you have at the time.
With a raise and a reraise, and without a read on them, I'd need atleast AK to call. I dont know what these people are doing, but you're better off getting out IMHO
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Fnord
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Reads help here A LOT.
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Nehmer
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Originally Posted by Fnord
Reads help here A LOT.
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Oops, forgot to put those in. UTG was a maniac...something like 40/15. MP2 is a regular TAgg though who usually seems to be winning when I see him around.
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by Nehmer
Oops, forgot to put those in. UTG was a maniac...something like 40/15. MP2 is a regular TAgg though who usually seems to be winning when I see him around.
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Tough spot, MP2's line could easily be a pair as he clearly wants to shut you out of the pot. Looks like KT to me.
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TylerK
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Raise preflop. KT and KJ get a little less feisty on a K high flop then.
Edit: To actually answer your question, I don't fold the turn nor the river in this hand.
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TylerK: its just gambling if i want to worry about money i'll go to work lol
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by TylerK
Raise preflop. KT and KJ get a little less feisty on a K high flop then.
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Sounds like a great reason NOT to raise this pre-flop to me...
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TylerK
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That sounds like great reason not to raise aces preflop too, but that doesn't make it a good idea.
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TylerK: its just gambling if i want to worry about money i'll go to work lol
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by TylerK
That sounds like great reason not to raise aces preflop too, but that doesn't make it a good idea.
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AA has a big pre-flop edge. KQo doesn't.
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TylerK
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Originally Posted by Fnord
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Originally Posted by TylerK
That sounds like great reason not to raise aces preflop too, but that doesn't make it a good idea.
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AA has a big pre-flop edge. KQo doesn't. |
So you'd limp it from the button in this situation? That doesn't sound like the Fnord we know and love. 
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TylerK: its just gambling if i want to worry about money i'll go to work lol
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Originally Posted by TylerK
So you'd limp it from the button in this situation? That doesn't sound like the Fnord we know and love. |
Fnord only raises in shorthanded pots where he has a postflop edge against his opponents. with 6 players comin in for a ride the skill factor no longer applies and it's just all cards now (well minimal skill i should say).
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I'm not raising this preflop.
To add a little - not only do you NOT have much equity edge with KQo, but you create a larger pot for people to correctly draw to the river. Keep the pot smaller and outplay them postflop.
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