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Old 01-29-2009, 04:26 AM     Post subject: Turn of the awesome, fire last shell? #1 (permalink)  
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 Standard? It seemed like if the Q helped him he would have bet the flop.

Very loose table over all, pre flop raiser is pretty good reg I think. He made one awful felt vs me like a month ago (something like bottom two plus gutter vs an obv set IIRC) but has seemed pretty reasonable besides that so I have been assuming he was tilting then.

Better to try for a turn CR?

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Preflop: Hero is SB with A, 6, 3, 4
UTG calls $2, 1 fold, CO calls $2, Button raises to $11, Hero calls $10, BB calls $9, UTG calls $9, CO calls $9

Flop: ($55) 5, Q, 9 (5 players)
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Old 01-29-2009, 05:29 AM #2 (permalink)  
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 oh hi der big leak PF
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Old 01-29-2009, 08:14 AM #3 (permalink)  
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 I dont play much Omaha hi, but my 2c
Preflop: I would fold to the raise OOP
Turn: you have a great draw with one card to come, so I can see the logic of betting, what would you do if raised?
River: What do you put villian on JT is a possibility, so is hand like 678x, I think the river bet is good in this spot


 
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oh hi der big leak PF
what is your pre flop calling range?
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Old 01-29-2009, 03:47 PM #5 (permalink)  
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 bigger gappers for sure, make your 3 a 5 and I call (obv)

I think the lowest gap I'd play would be Ay6y7x9z

you want to be really really really tight in this spot, you're going to have awful position AND horrible relative position as well seeing how the aggressor is on the button. Although relative position doesn't matter as much in PLO b/c players don't necessarily blindly check to the PFR.
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 with the pot size I like my position since I can just CR shove if I flop something I want to play. Also as you say it's not as bad as it seems since usually someone with a hand will be forced to lead in multiway pot. I also have the option to make a small lead and force everyone to declare. Am I thinking poorly? I should be clear that I fully expected all the limpers to call and that they all seem to be not good players.

I'd be a lot more worried about flopping the bottom end of something with 976 vs my wheel cards, esp in a five way pot. Also I find people have a lot of trouble putting you on a 3 or even a 4 in these spots and will make some silly stack offs with AA/KK. I would not have played without the suited ace, I would fold 6432 or J987 here.

Do you like the medium gaps better just because of better two pair/FHs? I would have played either one.

@ TLR, I am getting it in on the turn, hand is too big to fold:
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Omaha Hi: 40 enumerated boards containing Qs 2s 9c 5h
cards          win   %win  lose  %lose  tie  %tie     EV
As 6s  4d  3h      17  42.50    23  57.50    0  0.00  0.425
Qc Tc  Qh  Jh   23  57.50    17  42.50    0  0.00  0.575
And I put him on AA/KK after the turn call, if he had JT plus help he would have bet the flop and I doubt he would call the turn with a bare straight draw or inside wrap
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 bleh I guess I don't have the most easily definable reasons for folding your hand but playing a679+. I guess I feel the hand just plays better post-flop.

As for your hand river looks like an easy barrel. I'm not sure about the bet-size, but I can't think of a better option.
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 No prob with calling pre, at times, the gap isn't a huge deal because you're definately looking to hit an exact flop here(I prolly fold this a good amount of time pre, but would open with it at other times,obv).

Your turn bet looks like a draw or two pair, to me, and it's obv he doesn't have much at this point. So I'm not sure a C/R is possible.

On river the bet size you made is a tweener to me. I think a lil smaller, maybe 85-90 looks stronger. Like you're wanting to get paid here. And you lose less when he repots you.

But if he has a Q, he calling at a minimum. If he's stationy and thinks your turn bet is a draw, he's calling with two pair at times.

I don't think it's played too bad at all. I think you get a fold here most of the time. So NH.

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