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Harry

06-22-2006, 09:30 PM Post subject: TT - horrible flop - outs and odds

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Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Preflop: Hero is SB with T

, T

.
1 fold, MP raises, 1 fold, Button calls, Hero 3-bets, 1 fold, MP caps, Button calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (13 SB) A

, K

, Q

(3 players)
Hero checks, MP bets, Button calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (8 BB) 3

(3 players)
Hero checks, MP bets, Button calls, Hero folds.

River: (10 BB) 9

(2 players)
MP bets, Button calls.

Final Pot: 12 BB

Results in white below:
MP has 2c Qc (one pair, queens).
Button has 9s Jc (one pair, nines).
Outcome: MP wins 12 BB.

I didn't have a read on MP yet, button is loose passive. I'm basically positive I'm beat on the flop, but I count 6 outs, 2 tens for a set, and 4 jacks to a straight. So I figured I had the odds to call one on the flop. Did I also have the odds to call one on the turn though?

Also, should I not be counting the 2 tens as outs since they give any jack a straight?

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chardrian

06-22-2006, 09:36 PM

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You definitely need to discount your outs since it is very possible that at least one of your opps has the J and it is also somewhat possible that one of your opps has another T (so if your J did hit you would split).

How much to discount your outs?? Meh - I would give myself 4-5 outs, but I do a lot of this on just pure speculation/implied odds.

I like how you played it. And I am licking my chops after I see how my opps played it.

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06-22-2006, 10:28 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by chardrian

I would give myself 4-5 outs

In addition to what was already stated, it's also true that even if you do hit one of your outs that doesn't simultaneously make someone else a better or equal hand, then anyone that flopped or turns two pair (not unlikely given the preflop action) has a small redraw to fill up. So I discount to the low end of this range, 4 outs.

Quote:

Originally Posted by chardrian

I like how you played it. And I am licking my chops after I see how my opps played it.

6high

06-23-2006, 03:54 AM

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06-23-2006, 08:24 AM

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nevermind, i missed the preflop cap.

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