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DeanCarl

04-20-2005, 05:26 PM Post subject: Trying to find out what I'm doing wrong. (part 1)

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Starting to take this a bit more seriously. Fact is I'm loosing way too much. So, starting today (since I finally figured out how to work the converter

) I'm going to be posting quite a few hand histories of hands I think I screwed up. Any and all serious help is GREATLY appreciated!

Here's the first two:

PokerStars 0.05/0.10 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 7

, 7

.
2 folds, Hero calls, 4 folds, SB raises, 1 fold, Hero calls.

Flop: (5 SB) 4

, 5

, 3

(2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (3.50 BB) 2

(2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

River: (5.50 BB) 5

(2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 7.50 BB

Results in white below:
SB has As Ks (flush, ace high).
Hero has 7d 7c (two pair, sevens and fives).
Outcome: SB wins 7.50 BB.

And number 2:

PokerStars 0.05/0.10 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J

, J

. MP3 posts a blind of $0.05.
UTG calls, 1 fold, MP1 calls, Hero raises, MP3 (poster) 3-bets, 3 folds, BB calls, UTG calls, MP1 calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (15.40 SB) Q

, 3

, T

(5 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets, MP3 raises, BB folds, UTG calls, MP1 calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (11.70 BB) 5

(4 players)
UTG checks, MP1 checks, Hero checks, MP3 bets, UTG folds, MP1 folds, Hero calls.

River: (13.70 BB) 2

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 15.70 BB

Results in white below:
Hero has Jh Jd (one pair, jacks).
MP3 has Kc Kd (one pair, kings).
Outcome: MP3 wins 15.70 BB.

More (MUCH more the way I'm playing!) to come.

Dean

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lonnie

04-20-2005, 05:57 PM

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Hand 1 - Raise the flop. You have position and an overpair. If your opp raised with overs you have the best hand. Call down on turn and river is fine I guess.

Hand 2 - You gotta get rid of this hand on the turn when you don't improve. 4 way action into the turn and there is an overcard. Your hand is no good.

whileone

04-20-2005, 06:00 PM

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I've just started limit this week, but i've played NL for some time, and i'm doing ok. my advice might be kinda nOObish though- i'll defer to the limit gurus

1. on the flop, i'd bet my overpair. since the sb raised PF, i'd say there's a good chance he had an ace. tough decision between calling down and folding, depends on your read.

2. i think you should cap pre-flop. JJ is a good hand, try to chase some folks off of thier draws. On the flop, cap or fold. you're either way ahead of a draw, or you're drawing to 2 outs. i'd let it go but, again, i only have like 2k limit hands.

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Element187

04-20-2005, 06:24 PM

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Hand 1 reraise the flop to see where your at, if he just calls he has two over cards no pair.. just unfortunate he happened to be on the nut flush draw

Hand 2, i would call it down.

not bad plays in my opinion but im probably still a n00b.

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lonnie

04-20-2005, 06:28 PM

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I don't think you can call hand 2 on the turn with 3 clubs on the board, an overcard, and 4 way action.

Element187

04-20-2005, 06:43 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lonnie

I don't think you can call hand 2 on the turn with 3 clubs on the board, an overcard, and 4 way action.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Element187

not bad plays in my opinion but im probably still a n00b.

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whileone

04-20-2005, 06:50 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Element187

Quote:

Originally Posted by lonnie

I don't think you can call hand 2 on the turn with 3 clubs on the board, an overcard, and 4 way action.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Element187

not bad plays in my opinion but im probably still a n00b.

n00b

:P

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stuck

04-20-2005, 06:53 PM

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hand 1: raise the flop, call down afterwards

hand 2: get rid of this on the turn unimproved.

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I'd drop in the morning
I'd drop in the evening..

lonnie

04-20-2005, 07:01 PM

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Quote:

not bad plays in my opinion but im probably still a n00b.

sorry noob. just had to had to call you out on that one. Holding a 2 outer that is almost surely behind and no other redraw in sight, it's an easy fold. Especially since you may already be dead to the flush on the turn.

honsheung

04-20-2005, 07:11 PM

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How about raising the preflop for hand 1?

honsheung

04-20-2005, 07:16 PM

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MP3 guy call you 3 bets in flp .
And you see three clubs in turn.

At least you should fold in turn,given a flush danger.
but a fold in flop will not be too wrong in my view.
since one of the players may have AQ, KQ, QQ, KK 1010 or AA already, get you beaten in the flop

honsheung

04-20-2005, 07:17 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by honsheung

this is about hand 2

lonnie

04-20-2005, 07:17 PM

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Quote:

How about raising the preflop for hand 1?

I don't have a problem with that if the table is tight and you think there is a good chance you can steal the button by raising from MP. If the table is even a little loose I think you are wasting money. 77 is generally a set it/forget it hand for me unless I can get HU like DeanCarl did here. Open raising from MP with 77 is a very table specific play for me.

honsheung

04-20-2005, 07:19 PM

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for hand 2, sorry should be:

MP3 guy rerasie to 3 bets in flop .
.

lonnie

04-20-2005, 07:19 PM

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Quote:

but a fold in flop will not be too wrong in my view.

I think you just about always have to bet out on the flop in this situation. See where your at, take a shot at the pot, pick up a draw on the turn, etc.

honsheung

04-20-2005, 07:20 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lonnie

Quote:

How about raising the preflop for hand 1?

What is your botherline to raise then ?
1010?

honsheung

04-20-2005, 07:21 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lonnie

Quote:

but a fold in flop will not be too wrong in my view.

I think you just about always have to bet out on the flop in this situation. See where your at, take a shot at the pot, pick up a draw on the turn, etc.

of course I will bet and raise in flop, but if get reraised, I will fold .

lonnie

04-20-2005, 07:25 PM

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Quote:

What is your botherline to raise then ?
1010?

Is this in binary or decimal? If you are talking about 22, then no way.

I like 99 from MP, but it depends on the table. How many have limped ahead of me? How likely is it that I will limit the field behind me? TT is the lowest pocket pair that I think can generally win showdowns unimproved. 99 and less is usually going to need some help. It depends.

Demiparadigm

04-20-2005, 10:50 PM

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Hand 1- raise the flop, call down.

Hand 2- Cap preflop, fold the turn.

honsheung, Which pocket pairs you should raise with depends entirely on table texture, your position, what type of players have already acted, who is left to act, your table image and a few other intangible things.
Here's a hint: If you think that your odds of winning are better than the odds that you would get from the pot with 2 small bets, raise.

To win in poker you only need to be one step ahead of your opponents. Two steps may be detrimental.

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