Trying to beat 28s

**outphase** · 05-17-2005 12:02 AM

I stayed to the river on this hand because I was being the aggressor with top pair, then a gut shot straight and flush draw. Was there anything I could've done? I didn't put MP2 on a Jack... I was right about that

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Preflop: Hero is SB with Q

, T

.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, MP2 calls, CO raises, 1 fold, Hero calls, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (10 SB) 9

, 7

, T

(5 players)
Hero bets, BB raises, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls, CO folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (9 BB) K

(4 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, UTG+1 folds, MP2 calls.

River: (12 BB) Q

(3 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, MP2 raises, Hero calls, BB folds.

Final Pot: 17 BB

Results in white below:
MP2 has 2s 8s (flush, king high).
Hero has Qs Th (two pair, queens and tens).
Outcome: MP2 wins 17 BB.

**Strung** · 05-17-2005 12:05 AM

Fold pre-flop.

**|~|ypermegachi** · 05-17-2005 12:32 AM

Originally Posted by Strung

Fold pre-flop.

fail that, 3bet the flop to really see where you stand.

**outphase** · 05-17-2005 12:37 AM

Yeah, i'm thinking a 3bet would've pushed him out, but my position was ass

**euphoricism** · 05-17-2005 12:40 AM

I highly doubt you were going to get the 4flush to fold.

**outphase** · 05-17-2005 01:18 AM

I meant getting 28s to fold preflop to avoid the 4-to-a-flush situation. I know he wouldn't be pushed out at the flop, much like I wouldn't be pushed out at the turn

**Shark Bait** · 05-17-2005 01:32 AM

with those 2 poop cards you either have to fold to the raise or 3 bet. I would favor the fold.

You were a victim of the "well I already called one, I might as well call 2"

I remember specifically at this B&M I was the BB with AA and seven people called, I raised, and everyone called the raise. One of the disadvantages to being last to act. If I was UTG there would have been less people in the hand. Of course someone sucked out the straight on the river. It happens and it sucks.

**|~|ypermegachi** · 05-17-2005 01:44 AM

anyways you need to fold preflop to the raise.

the flop i think you should 3bet. betting the turn is fine also, as you've just picked up a strong second nut draw.

check/call is probably the best on the river. you will only be beat when you are raised. the river brings the 4th straight card.

05-17-2005 12:02 AM #1
outphase View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Apr 2005 Posts 935	Trying to beat 28s I stayed to the river on this hand because I was being the aggressor with top pair, then a gut shot straight and flush draw. Was there anything I could've done? I didn't put MP2 on a Jack... I was right about that Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (8 handed) converter Preflop: Hero is SB with Q, T. 1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, MP2 calls, CO raises, 1 fold, Hero calls, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls. Flop: (10 SB) 9, 7, T (5 players) Hero bets, BB raises, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls, CO folds, Hero calls. Turn: (9 BB) K (4 players) Hero bets, BB calls, UTG+1 folds, MP2 calls. River: (12 BB) Q (3 players) Hero bets, BB calls, MP2 raises, Hero calls, BB folds. Final Pot: 17 BB Results in white below: MP2 has 2s 8s (flush, king high). Hero has Qs Th (two pair, queens and tens). Outcome: MP2 wins 17 BB.

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05-17-2005 12:05 AM #2
Strung View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Mar 2005 Posts 211	Fold pre-flop.

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05-17-2005 12:32 AM #3
\|~\|ypermegachi View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Aug 2004 Posts 3,450 Location emo-kid	Originally Posted by Strung Fold pre-flop. fail that, 3bet the flop to really see where you stand.

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05-17-2005 12:37 AM #4
outphase View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Apr 2005 Posts 935	Yeah, i'm thinking a 3bet would've pushed him out, but my position was ass
	Originally Posted by lambchopdc Lets stop talking ABC poker and move on to D, E, and F.
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05-17-2005 12:40 AM #5
euphoricism View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Mar 2005 Posts 5,365 Location Your place or my place	I highly doubt you were going to get the 4flush to fold.
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05-17-2005 01:18 AM #6
outphase View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Apr 2005 Posts 935	I meant getting 28s to fold preflop to avoid the 4-to-a-flush situation. I know he wouldn't be pushed out at the flop, much like I wouldn't be pushed out at the turn
	Originally Posted by lambchopdc Lets stop talking ABC poker and move on to D, E, and F.
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05-17-2005 01:32 AM #7
Shark Bait View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Mar 2005 Posts 503	with those 2 poop cards you either have to fold to the raise or 3 bet. I would favor the fold. You were a victim of the "well I already called one, I might as well call 2" I remember specifically at this B&M I was the BB with AA and seven people called, I raised, and everyone called the raise. One of the disadvantages to being last to act. If I was UTG there would have been less people in the hand. Of course someone sucked out the straight on the river. It happens and it sucks.

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05-17-2005 01:44 AM #8
\|~\|ypermegachi View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Join Date Aug 2004 Posts 3,450 Location emo-kid	anyways you need to fold preflop to the raise. the flop i think you should 3bet. betting the turn is fine also, as you've just picked up a strong second nut draw. check/call is probably the best on the river. you will only be beat when you are raised. the river brings the 4th straight card.

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