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spoonitnow
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06-11-2006, 03:10 PM
Post subject: TPMK Turn Play
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6-handed, Hero is Button with A 8
Preflop:
UTG folds, MP folds, CO limps, Hero raises, SB folds, BB calls, CO limps.
Flop: 3 A 7
BB bets, CO calls, Hero raises, BB calls, CO calls.
Turn: 4 A 7 2
BB bets, CO calls, Hero ...
I don't know how to interpret the BB leading out here after my raise on the flop, but it feels like I'm behind. Am I right in thinking I'm probably behind here? What can I do here?
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
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Ltrain
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06-11-2006, 03:26 PM
Post subject: Re: TPMK Turn Play
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Originally Posted by spoonitnow
6-handed, Hero is Button with A 8
Preflop:
UTG folds, MP folds, CO limps, Hero raises, SB folds, BB calls, CO limps.
Flop: 3 A 7
BB bets, CO calls, Hero raises, BB calls, CO calls.
Turn: 4 A 7 2
BB bets, CO calls, Hero ...
I don't know how to interpret the BB leading out here after my raise on the flop, but it feels like I'm behind. Am I right in thinking I'm probably behind here? What can I do here? |
Against a typical weak passive player, a donkbet on the turn after a bet/call on the flop will be that the turn card improved his hand or he already has a made hand and is playing it weak. With this card, I would read it as 2 pair. CO's overcall looks like a pair.
I would call this turn and re-evaluate the river. The pot is getting bigger, so you will be justified calling again the river UI. If CO wakes up and raises the river, I would fold UI.
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spoonitnow
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The only hands I'd beat UI on the river are A3, A5, and A6, so why am I calling this down on the turn and river?
(Not being argumentative, just a fish who doesn't have a clue.  )
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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Miffed22001
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if you call the turn you have to call the river.
Im sure how good you are here that often but looking att he pot its diffciult to fold.
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thenonsequitur
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Originally Posted by spoonitnow
The only hands I'd beat UI on the river are A3, A5, and A6, so why am I calling this down on the turn and river?
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Don't forget that people sometimes like to lead the turn with draws so you might also beat any 3x or 5x. This also looks a lot like 42 (probably suited) or A2. So don't forgot that if he did pair his kicker you can improve with a counterfeit. If he has 42 you have outs with A, 8, or 7, and if he has A2 you have outs with 8, 7, and 4.
He also might just be being dumb and have no reason behind his bet.
You may not have enough to call, but without reads I'd have trouble folding here. Got any reads on BB?
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thenonsequitur
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06-11-2006, 04:59 PM
Post subject: Re: TPMK Turn Play
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Originally Posted by spoonitnow
Flop: 3 A 7
Turn: 4 A 7 2 |
Just noticed how this 3h on the flop turned into 4h on the turn. Online poker is even more rigged than I thought.
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spoonitnow
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06-11-2006, 05:21 PM
Post subject: Re: TPMK Turn Play
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Originally Posted by thenonsequitur
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Originally Posted by spoonitnow
Flop: 3 A 7
Turn: 4 A 7 2 |
Just noticed how this 3h on the flop turned into 4h on the turn. Online poker is even more rigged than I thought. |
Yeah I think I screwed that up when I was typing it out, stupid CD Poker doesn't have HHs you can access easily.
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Originally Posted by spoonitnow
The only hands I'd beat UI on the river are A3, A5, and A6, so why am I calling this down on the turn and river?
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Don't forget that people sometimes like to lead the turn with draws so you might also beat any 3x or 5x. This also looks a lot like 42 (probably suited) or A2. So don't forgot that if he did pair his kicker you can improve with a counterfeit. If he has 42 you have outs with A, 8, or 7, and if he has A2 you have outs with 8, 7, and 4.
He also might just be being dumb and have no reason behind his bet.
You may not have enough to call, but without reads I'd have trouble folding here. Got any reads on BB? |
This makes a lot more sense. I hadn't been at the table but for a few orbits, but it seemed like he wasn't playing many hands at all outside of the blinds.
I called it on the turn, river came something like a J, BB led, CO called, I called, CO won via kicker, BB had only paired his 7.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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6high
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Overcalling this turn is bad.
The board is dry, the only draw just came in and your kicker sucks.
You aren't good 1:5 to call this down.
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JohnnyDaly
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Originally Posted by 6high
Overcalling this turn is bad.
The board is dry, the only draw just came in and your kicker sucks.
You aren't good 1:5 to call this down.
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Agreed. The only othe viable option is raising the turn for a free showdown and folding to a three-bet.
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