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Old 12-17-2005, 01:51 AM     Post subject: TP From the blinds (4 hands) #1 (permalink)  
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I read a post recently that told me folding TP at these low limits is a big mistake. Am I taking this advice too literally? Am I getting the idea?

Also in this situation (hitting TP from the Blinds) do you want to lead in the bigger pots with a number of opponents to follow?

HAND #1

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Preflop: Hero is BB with K, 9.
1 folds, UTG+1 calls, 2 folds, MP2 calls, 2 folds, Button calls, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (5.00 SB) 7, 9, 6 (5 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 folds, MP2 calls, Button calls, SB calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) 4 (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, MP2 calls, Button calls, SB calls.

River: (8.50 BB) 6 (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, MP2 folds, Button folds, SB calls.

Final Pot: 10.50 BB.


HAND #2

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Preflop: Hero is SB with 5, K.
4 folds, MP3 calls, 2 folds, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (3.00 SB) 4, 8, K (3 players)
Hero bets, BB folds, MP3 calls.

Turn: (2.50 BB) 2 (2 players)
Hero bets, MP3 calls.

River: (4.50 BB) 8 (2 players)
Hero bets, MP3 calls.

Final Pot: 6.50 BB.


HAND #3

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Preflop: Hero is SB with 9, Q.
1 folds, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, 1 folds, CO calls, 1 folds, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (6.00 SB) 2, Q, J (6 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, CO folds.

Turn: (5.00 BB) T (4 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.

River: (9.00 BB) 6 (4 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, MP1 calls, MP2 folds.

Final Pot: 12.00 BB.


HAND #4

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Preflop: Hero is SB with Q, 4.
5 folds, MP3 calls, CO calls, Button calls, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (5.00 SB) 7, 6, Q (5 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, MP3 checks, CO checks, Button checks.

Turn: (2.50 BB) 5 (5 players)
Hero bets, BB folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button calls.

River: (4.50 BB) 9 (2 players)
Hero bets, Button folds.

Final Pot: 5.50 BB.
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Old 12-17-2005, 10:38 AM #2 (permalink)  
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They look fine to me given that you are never presented with a decision to make.
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 Hand 2: I fold preflop.

It looks like you are having trouble protecting your hand possibly. Instead of leading out with TPNK into 5 opponents, a better route would be check/raise and get some of those limpers out of there. By betting you create a draw for everyone, and you dont want that lone As hangin around to runner runner flush you with odds.

Standard Sklansky move adapted for myself: If you are in EP and have TP, check/raise the field if more than 4 opponents are in the pot.

Otherwise they looking good.


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Old 12-17-2005, 06:46 PM #4 (permalink)  
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Hand 2: I fold preflop.

It looks like you are having trouble protecting your hand possibly. Instead of leading out with TPNK into 5 opponents, a better route would be check/raise and get some of those limpers out of there. By betting you create a draw for everyone, and you dont want that lone As hangin around to runner runner flush you with odds.

Standard Sklansky move adapted for myself: If you are in EP and have TP, check/raise the field if more than 4 opponents are in the pot.

Otherwise they looking good.
Good advice, but when is check raising a bad idea?
Say I hit TPNK and check, the next guy bets and multiple callers come along? I guess what your saying is to check raise if it will limit the field. But never check raise if it's just building the pot and wont push anyone out.
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Hand 2: I fold preflop.

It looks like you are having trouble protecting your hand possibly. Instead of leading out with TPNK into 5 opponents, a better route would be check/raise and get some of those limpers out of there. By betting you create a draw for everyone, and you dont want that lone As hangin around to runner runner flush you with odds.

Standard Sklansky move adapted for myself: If you are in EP and have TP, check/raise the field if more than 4 opponents are in the pot.

Otherwise they looking good.
Hand 2 is a fold pre-flop because the pot is small. If lots of people limp, I'm completing this as a made flush equals good money. Just making sure that's clear for the original poster.

Also, the check-raise is a good idea assuming another player (preferably in late position) will actually bet. However, in these loose micro-limits, many people will check/call all day. Also, if the person to your immediate left bets, then the check-raise is worthless and won't clear the field, because all the callers have put in money and won't fold to another small bet. You NEED to be sure the proper person will bet the majority of the time. Essentially, check your PT stats or personal notes to see who is aggressive. If you're facing a field of passive post-flop players, a check-raise may not work, and not getting a bet in here is worse.

I'm more likely to attempt to check-raise if someone in a later position raised/reraised pre-flop, especially if I call after that instead of capping. I can be more certain they will take the aggressive stance on the flop, and that the check-raise can be a success and limit the field to, perferrably, heads up.
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Hand 2: I fold preflop.

It looks like you are having trouble protecting your hand possibly. Instead of leading out with TPNK into 5 opponents, a better route would be check/raise and get some of those limpers out of there. By betting you create a draw for everyone, and you dont want that lone As hangin around to runner runner flush you with odds.

Standard Sklansky move adapted for myself: If you are in EP and have TP, check/raise the field if more than 4 opponents are in the pot.

Otherwise they looking good.
Hand 2 is a fold pre-flop because the pot is small. If lots of people limp, I'm completing this as a made flush equals good money. Just making sure that's clear for the original poster.

Also, the check-raise is a good idea assuming another player (preferably in late position) will actually bet. However, in these loose micro-limits, many people will check/call all day. Also, if the person to your immediate left bets, then the check-raise is worthless and won't clear the field, because all the callers have put in money and won't fold to another small bet. You NEED to be sure the proper person will bet the majority of the time. Essentially, check your PT stats or personal notes to see who is aggressive. If you're facing a field of passive post-flop players, a check-raise may not work, and not getting a bet in here is worse.

I'm more likely to attempt to check-raise if someone in a later position raised/reraised pre-flop, especially if I call after that instead of capping. I can be more certain they will take the aggressive stance on the flop, and that the check-raise can be a success and limit the field to, perferrably, heads up.
Yeah, I should have explained my reasoning more. In order for this limp in the SB to work, you need at least 2 other limpers outside the BB for it to be good.


The check/raise really doesn't matter if the guy next to you bets. Because, the difference between you betting and he betting here doesn't really matter as you can call, and wait to raise the turn. If you can get at least ONE guy out of this pot the checkraise is good.

Actually, letting this hand get checked behind on the flop isn't THAT big of a risk, because anyone who had odds to call the flop bet woulda called anyway. You just give those people drawing nearly dead a free chance, which in this situation, IMO, isnt too bad, as it may mean your hand is good.


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