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Fnord
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05-07-2005, 12:35 AM
Post subject: Tough little spot...
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BB just sat down with $40
Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (10 handed) converter
Preflop: Fnord is UTG with T , T .
Fnord raises, 8 folds, BB calls.
Flop: (4.33 SB) 5, A, 3 (2 players)
BB checks, Fnord bets, BB raises, Fnord ???
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Demiparadigm
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I fold... 2 outs is bad implied odds if you are behind. Depends on your image I guess.
If you are crazy, you could 3 bet to see where you are at. then check behind on the turn 
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Originally Posted by Demiparadigm
If you are crazy, you could 3 bet to see where you are at. then check behind on the turn |
I don't like to "raise for information" into dubious players. GIGO. Besides capping a flush draw (with no pair or secondary draws) on the flop heads-up is all the rage these days.
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This guy could have anything. I bet a couple suited cards and he's overplaying his flush draw. Although, a checkraise is never good. I would call the flop and see what the turn brings. If its another spade i would drop it.
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I 3-bet the flop...as long as no more spades come, I bet the turn, probably check the river down. I think he's more likely to be on a flush draw, underpair, inside straight draw, or some crap like that than to have the ace. I definately don't fold vs somebody that just sat down with $40, I always find people that don't use a full buy-in suck and are just looking to give their money away.
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For what it's worth, I think raising here is the worst possible play...
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Originally Posted by demiparadigm
I fold... 2 outs is bad implied odds if you are behind.
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Ed Miller says to call on the flop and fold on the turn, so players don't notice you folding for one extra bet. It could make them bluff you more often in the future.
To be more specific, I fold here about half the time. I call and fold on the turn more than 25% of the time. If I read the checkraise as weak, I call down unless the flush card comes, and maybe if it comes on the turn since I have the T redraw. If I have no read at all, I may call down for information to see what would make this player try a checkraise.
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Interesting one
If I was in the BB, I couldn't see playing a flush draw this way, but if I had a weak ace and caught two pair (A3 or A5), setting up the CR may not be bad, knowing that the preflop raiser will always bet..
I am guessing A3 or A5 out of the BB.
Anyway, if you call here you pretty much have to take it to the end (notwithstanding a spade).
So, I guess this is not a matter of calling for 1 bet. It's either lay em down here or call em down. I don't like the raise either. So much here would depend on how I read the opponent.
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Originally Posted by ArcticKnight
Anyway, if you call here you pretty much have to take it to the end (notwithstanding a spade).
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Agree, although I even wonder if you can fold to a spade since you would have a sorta legit heads-up flush redraw. Particularly since we can put this guy on a wide range of Ax hands. A better player may actually be less likely to have an Ace, as he would often muck most Ax hands to an UTG raise. Then again, a better player is more likely to have a set.... meh...
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a better player wouldn't sit down with $40 at a 3/6 table. and if they did, they are just here to gamb00l and you must call down.
a check-raise seems unorthdox as it seems like it would get the least money out of you. after all, a successful turn check-raise gets 3 big bets, while a flop check-raise only gets 2.5 extra bets out.
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Originally Posted by hypermegachi
a check-raise seems unorthdox as it seems like it would get the least money out of you. after all, a successful turn check-raise gets 3 big bets, while a flop check-raise only gets 2.5 extra bets out.
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Not when you consider that I'll more often fold a hand like TT to a turn check/raise. Comparing the two lines here is more complicated than that...
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hahah that's why my post is saying something without saying anything...because i don't know.
the problem is they just sat down, and with only $40. if you knew they were a good player you could probably put some kinda probability to them knowing the chances of you calling down with the flop CR vs the turn CR.
i would probably lean towards folding. you don't know who this guy is, the pot is small, and it's one of those way ahead vs way behing situations.
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Anyone like calling the flop, raising a spade on the turn (folding any non-spade), checking the river? I dont think you can get an A to laydown here and I might agree you dont want to laydown to a flop checkraise that easily.
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