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StinkyBeaver
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06-25-2005, 12:10 PM
Post subject: Top two.. could I have made a better protection until river
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Join Date: Apr 2005
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So flop and turn is the most debatable here and I'd like a comment on wether I could have protected these any better.
I check through on turn but would I be better off to bet and call a raise and fold river UI. Or should I bet/fold.
Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter
Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K , A.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, 4 folds, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls.
Flop: (8.50 SB) 2 , K , A (4 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 checks, Hero bets, BB calls, UTG+1 raises, UTG+2 folds, Hero 3-bets, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.
Turn: (8.75 BB) 3 (3 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero checks.
River: (8.75 BB) 6 (3 players)
BB bets, UTG+1 raises, Hero folds, BB folds.
Final Pot: 11.75 BB
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|~|ypermegachi
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bet the turn. call a single bet on the river.
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StinkyBeaver
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by hypermegachi
bet the turn. call a single bet on the river.
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I understand that I maybe should have bet the turn, however say I did bet then I'd need to call a checkraise (outs to fullhouse). And then you think I should also call one more bet on the river.
If the river wasn't a spade I would've called one more bet any day but four to a flush and a flop checkraise. BB does call two colds when it comes back to him on the flop. Someone must have a draw inthere I don't see em both calling and playing like this with weak aces/kings.
I don't think my play here is all that bad. But since I'm still learning I'm not so sure either.
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|~|ypermegachi
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4-of-a-Kind
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if the 4th flush card falls, depending on the player i may find a call or fold. i'm betting this turn for value because players will stay in with anything.
in fact, BB wasn't on a flush draw at all. UTG+1 probably had a pair of kings or aces, and got a redraw on the turn, which hit on the river. you just gave them a free card by not betting the turn.
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Nehmer
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Join Date: Oct 2004
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You have to bet this turn. The vast majority of the time the board brings a flush on the turn, nobody was drawing to that flush. You definately don't wanna give people a free card to see the 4th spade, so you have to bet. Don't let yourself get scared by the fact that somebody might possibly have outdrawn you when you have a good hand. Odds are, you are getting paid off by worse hands until that river.
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StinkyBeaver
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Flush
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Ok... both of you seems to be very sure on this subject so I'll go with this line from now on.
I understand that giving a freecard is indeed bad, but I had this "feeling" that If I were to bet this I'll get checkraised right away...
If not a flush draw which range of hands do you put utg+1 or BB on then. utg+1 checkraises the flop, this makes sense if he's betting the come and building a pot however It doesn't make much sense if he has just one ace or king then I think he would have bettet out to begin with. I find the checkraise here pretty wierd and why is BB calling two colds he must have some piece of the board even though he could hace a wierd gutshot as QJoff with one of them being a spade and thereby making him bet/fold the river.
But I stand corrected and will from now on be betting similar turns.
Final question: Say I had AQ instead then I'd still bet the turn howver should I then fold to a raise. Do you fold TPTK to a raise on turn if there are 3 to a flush or call down,,?
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Fnord
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I bet this turn because you have enough outs to call down a raise.
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Fnord
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Fnord
I bet this turn because you have enough outs to call down a raise.
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...and you probably have the best hand.
I only like to check behind with hands when my hand is hopeless against an opponent I can't bluff in that spot or if being raised will put me in a tough spot where I would have to fold with equity.
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