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Top pair, low kicker from the blinds; other concepts
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epic
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06-14-2008, 07:59 AM
Post subject: Top pair, low kicker from the blinds; other concepts
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I often find myself catching top pair/low kicker from the blinds and I'm never quite sure how to play it.
More often then not, I just come out betting and calling down if I get reraised (unless the board becomes too dangerous to continue, . I tend to go about 50/50 playing this way and I'm sure I could save myself some money by being a little tighter and letting it go more often.
How do you guys tend to play this?
Also, how do you guys play hands where a pair shows on the board, and you hold two pair with the other card showing (esp when it's a lower pair)?
Example: You have A5s, 995 flops. How is this most effectively played?
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DrivingDog
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Full House
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Location: UK
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More information please.
What level(s) are you playing?
Was it raised preflop or limped?
How many opponents are in the pot and how do they play? What position(s) are your opponents in?
Does the player last to act auto-bet the flop if it's checked around to him (that's a biggy)? Do other players not last to act bet out with only TP or better, or MP or better, or any good draw?
What is the top card - A? K? etc.
IOW, the questions are too general to have simple answers. If you post a hand history or two where the situation comes up, and any information you have on the opponents in the hand, that would help.
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socal1111
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06-14-2008, 09:42 PM
Post subject: Re: Top pair, low kicker from the blinds; other concepts
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Straight
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 191
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Originally Posted by epic
I often find myself catching top pair/low kicker from the blinds and I'm never quite sure how to play it.
More often then not, I just come out betting and calling down if I get reraised (unless the board becomes too dangerous to continue, . I tend to go about 50/50 playing this way and I'm sure I could save myself some money by being a little tighter and letting it go more often.
How do you guys tend to play this?
Also, how do you guys play hands where a pair shows on the board, and you hold two pair with the other card showing (esp when it's a lower pair)?
Example: You have A5s, 995 flops. How is this most effectively played?
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Very tough to answer, because it's such a "feel" thing, depending on so many factors (as Driv. dog mentioned).
Example:
In passive game, with multiway action, and CO or BUTT. raise... I'm in blind.
FLOP
Q,8,5 rainbow (I have 10,8 soooooted)
I check to LP raiser w/ the intention of raising EVERY TIME! If someone early bets into LP raiser, I'm "usually" peeling (depending on backdoor draws)... folding turn UI. Pretty standard!
When board pairs, multiway (9,9,7)... I have A7. Sometimes I lead, reraise, sometimes I C/R... sometimes I C/C, sometimes I C/R turn... sometimes I C/F
As you get more experience, you'll figure out the correct line, depending on your read of opponents. PLEASE DON'T BE THE CHECK/CALLER!!! That's how the winners become winners. Try to make a decision (even if it's the "wrong" decision), rather than saying, "Uhh, I don't have any idea... I'll just call and see what happens." 
Practice committing to SOMETHING, with the option of adjusting your commitment -- it'll help you understand why you're doing what you're doing, and what you expect from said decision, etc etc. If you plan on moving up & up & up, "committed decision making" is critical.
Good luck, & stay focused,
Daynd
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socal1111
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06-14-2008, 09:49 PM
Post subject: Re: Top pair, low kicker from the blinds; other concepts
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Straight
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 191
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Originally Posted by epic
I often find myself catching top pair/low kicker from the blinds and I'm never quite sure how to play it.
More often then not, I just come out betting and calling down if I get reraised (unless the board becomes too dangerous to continue, . I tend to go about 50/50 playing this way and I'm sure I could save myself some money by being a little tighter and letting it go more often.
How do you guys tend to play this?
Also, how do you guys play hands where a pair shows on the board, and you hold two pair with the other card showing (esp when it's a lower pair)?
Example: You have A5s, 995 flops. How is this most effectively played?
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I forgot to mention:
In those TP, weak kickers (in loose/passive, multiway games), don't lead very often. You don't get as much info as checking and waiting to see action behind. When you lead in those games, you'll get few callers, but you still won't know where the hell you stand... Now what do you do on turn?
Always try to look to put in as many bets as possible when you have the best... and try to shut players out when you have marginal holding. This can be done effectively by looking for C/R from EP if you feel like LP will fire. Don't be afraid to bet and raise your marginals in these types of games.
Ok , I'm done.
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asdpikas
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Full House
Join Date: Jul 2007
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protect your hand (what socal said - c/r if possible)
after that everything will be more clear on the turn
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epic
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06-21-2008, 06:29 AM
Post subject: Re: Top pair, low kicker from the blinds; other concepts
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Join Date: Jul 2007
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Originally Posted by socal1111
As you get more experience, you'll figure out the correct line, depending on your read of opponents. PLEASE DON'T BE THE CHECK/CALLER!!! That's how the winners become winners. Try to make a decision (even if it's the "wrong" decision), rather than saying, "Uhh, I don't have any idea... I'll just call and see what happens." 
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I tend to lean more towards the aggressive side-I'm more likely to come out raising or check-raise than letting someone else decide for me.
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