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Old 10-05-2004, 06:33 PM     Post subject: too tight post flop? #1 (permalink)  
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i've folded some winners lately, and am waivering between did i make good folds versus playing too tight post-flop.

in this hand, my reasoning:

- i have 4 outs to a win or split pot - 4 queens
- otherwise, i will probably need at least 2 running cards to POSSIBLY win the hand

conclusion - good fold (!&!^%@$ queen!!! )

should i have seen the turn for 1 bet? if the pot were bigger, i probably would have.

thoughts?

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Preflop: fishstick is SB with 9, J.
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button folds, fishstick completes, BB checks.

Flop: (5 SB) K, T, 4 (5 players)
fishstick checks, BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 bets, MP1 folds, fishstick folds, BB calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (4 BB) Q (3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 bets, BB calls, UTG calls.

River: (7 BB) A (3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 bets, BB raises, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls $0.40 (All-In).

Final Pot: 12.80 BB

Results in white below:
BB has Ts 4c (two pair, tens and fours).
UTG has Kd Qd (two pair, kings and queens).
UTG+1 has 4h 4s (three of a kind, fours).
Outcome: UTG+1 wins 12.40 BB. UTG wins 0.38 BB.
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Old 10-05-2004, 06:54 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Good fold in my book.
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Old 10-05-2004, 07:07 PM #3 (permalink)  
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If BB bets and it's called around, you could close the action and see the turn for implied odds, especially since a check raise would be very likely. More likely it's coming back to you at two bets, though.

The way it played out, probably a good fold.

That's one passive bunch on that table...
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Old 10-05-2004, 07:27 PM #4 (permalink)  
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Don't beat yourself up over this one. Agree with everything koolmoe said.

Save the thin calls and aggro plays for the big pots.
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Old 10-06-2004, 06:25 PM #5 (permalink)  
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thanks - confirmed what i thought.

koolmoe - nice to see you back.

and yes, it was a passive table. i've seen a lot passivity at the PS low limit HE tables. very little raising, but 'lots of calling.
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Old 10-06-2004, 07:03 PM #6 (permalink)  
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Thanks. Nice to be back. I'm in a much better place now. On vacation this week, so I thought I'd post some.
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