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TylerK
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06-20-2005, 01:32 PM
Post subject: Is this too thin?
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This hand was accompanied by a lot of swearing.
I didn't hugely want to play preflop, but I was likely to be getting at least 5:1.
All I had on the flop was 2 (possibly dead) overs and a weak backdoor straight draw, was that enough to call 1 bet?
Turn, easy call that I was still not that pleased about.
Any folding possible here? Preflop maybe even with the fantastic odds?
Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter
Preflop: Hero is Button with K , J .
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 raises, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, 2 folds, Hero calls, 1 fold, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls.
Flop: (14.50 SB) T , 8, 3 (7 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 bets, UTG+2 calls, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, Hero calls, BB calls, UTG calls.
Turn: (9.75 BB) Q (5 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 bets, UTG+2 calls, Hero calls, BB calls, UTG folds.
River: (13.75 BB) A (4 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 checks, Hero bets, BB folds, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls.
Final Pot: 16.75 BB
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Nehmer
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definately fold preflop. KJ is just way too likely to be dominated by a hand that would raise in that situation. With that said, having completely missed the flop and almost definately completely dominated, fold the flop. After the turn, you are fine.
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TylerK
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I'm getting 16:1 on the flop, I don't even have 3 outs here?
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TylerK: its just gambling if i want to worry about money i'll go to work lol
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Everything after preflop I think was good. Its a huge pot and you shouldnt fold unless you are sure you are beat. Preflop, is a definate fold. Cold calling with unsuited broadways is a major leak in many average players.
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And its closer to 20-1 that you were getting to call.
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TylerK
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Originally Posted by elipsesjeff
Preflop, is a definate fold. Cold calling with unsuited broadways is a major leak in many average players.
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I generally agree, but there are like a bazillion players in the pot here.
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TylerK: its just gambling if i want to worry about money i'll go to work lol
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Originally Posted by TylerK
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Originally Posted by elipsesjeff
Preflop, is a definate fold. Cold calling with unsuited broadways is a major leak in many average players.
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I generally agree, but there are like a bazillion players in the pot here. |
Even more of a reason to not play, even more chances to be dominated. You really need these to be suited then I could see an argument.
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TylerK
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Originally Posted by TylerK
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Originally Posted by elipsesjeff
Preflop, is a definate fold. Cold calling with unsuited broadways is a major leak in many average players.
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I generally agree, but there are like a bazillion players in the pot here. |
Even more of a reason to not play, even more chances to be dominated. You really need these to be suited then I could see an argument. |
It's an easy cold call if they're suited.
I dunno, I'll hit up pokerstove and see what happens. Everyone at the table sucks, so I can safely give everyone but the PFR a random suited and/or broadway hand.
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Nehmer
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Originally Posted by elipsesjeff
Everything after preflop I think was good. Its a huge pot and you shouldnt fold unless you are sure you are beat. Preflop, is a definate fold. Cold calling with unsuited broadways is a major leak in many average players.
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I don't understand how you would not be sure you are beat after that flop...I realize it's a huge pot and it's not fun to fold, but you don't have a single out that you would be happy to hit at this point. There is just too good of a chance that you are up vs something like one guy with KQ and another with TJ, so you hit one of your "outs" and it just causes you to lose a lot more money instead of winning anything.
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Originally Posted by elipsesjeff
Everything after preflop I think was good.
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Post-flop I think you have pot odds or close enough to make those calls. Which exactly is why you don't want to get involved in pots like this with hands like KJo.
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Originally Posted by Nehmer
I don't understand how you would not be sure you are beat after that flop...I realize it's a huge pot and it's not fun to fold, but you don't have a single out that you would be happy to hit at this point. There is just too good of a chance that you are up vs something like one guy with KQ and another with TJ, so you hit one of your "outs" and it just causes you to lose a lot more money instead of winning anything.
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Well, once you think that a runner-runner straight is worth 1.5 outs, what arent you calling in this situation getting 20-1?
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is this too thin? I think no, but it's damn close. With the very real threat of domination you have one way to win, and the cards fell the only way the could to give you the win. With so many callers, even a chopped pot is possible. I fold this one and cold-call if it's suited up.
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