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pokerlearner
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09-13-2005, 07:12 AM
Post subject: too aggressive with 10-10
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Flush
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: california
Posts: 366
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should i have put him on AA or KK or QQ and folded on turn or i played it fine ?? i raise 10-10 UTG too many times. Is that a bad thing. Just limp in and fold to overcards and play strong for undercards is better option ??
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Preflop: Hero is UTG with T , T .
Hero raises, UTG+1 calls, 2 folds, MP2 3-bets, MP3 calls, 4 folds, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls.
Flop: (13.50 SB) 8, 6, 4 (4 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets, MP2 raises, MP3 calls, Hero 3-bets, UTG+1 folds, MP2 caps, MP3 folds, Hero calls.
Turn: (12.25 BB) 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets, Hero calls.
River: (14.25 BB) 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets, Hero calls.
Final Pot: 16.25 BB
Results in white below:
Hero has Th Tc (one pair, tens).
MP2 has Ah Ad (one pair, aces).
Outcome: MP2 wins 16.25 BB.
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outphase
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Full House
Join Date: Apr 2005
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You can play it 2 ways really, I raise TT utg to thin the field, but I also limp behind other limpers sometimes. I always open raise TT. Whenever I open, I play postflop like it's a monster, but whenever I limp behind I play for sets.
This hand was played fine assuming no reads. You have an overpair against the preflop aggressor who could likely have an unimproved AK. Calling down after the flop cap isn't that big of a mess esp because the pot is really too big to fold to 1 bet.
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Originally Posted by lambchopdc
Lets stop talking ABC poker and move on to D, E, and F.
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Ltrain
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Flush
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Miami, Florida
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Looks fine, I'd play it the same; maybe call the flop raises depending upon a read on MP2.
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"Don't judge a man until you have walked a mile in his shoes. Then you are a mile away, and have his shoes." - Anon.
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Fnord
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Need a read to dump this on the turn.
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Xanadu
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Full House
Join Date: May 2005
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I think your only mistake was 3-betting the flop. Once MP2 raises the flop, I'm definitely suspicious from his 3-bet preflop. Most players will 3-bet preflop with only QQ,KK,AA, AKs. If that is the case here, it's 9:2 you are beat. I would probably lead out the flop here.
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Fnord
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Xanadu
Most players will 3-bet preflop with only QQ,KK,AA, AKs.
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What's with the horrible advice today?
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Xanadu
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Full House
Join Date: May 2005
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I almost wrote at the bottom of my last post:
(Waiting for Fnord to tell me I am wrong)
Not being bitchy here ... Fnord tends to tell me I am wrong when I assume opponents will play reasonably at low stakes. I agree that this is a fallacious assumption.
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Fnord
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It's not just you...
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Originally Posted by hypermegachi
with that many players, AKo quickly loses its edge. i just call preflop to hide my strength. (cap with AKs).
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(in reference to a .5/1 hand) Reasonable conclusion, but the thought process sucks.
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Originally Posted by Ltrain
Flop- fold. You are unimproved, have no backdoor draws and are lucky you didn't get sandwiched.
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AQo, 10BB on the flop, paired rainbow board and he's looking to fold to a single bet?
...then you posted that weak/tight gem about pre-flop 3-bet ranges for opponents you don't have a read on.
I'm not that good of player, it's just the replies were that bad...
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Ltrain
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Flush
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Miami, Florida
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Just to defend my post from the other hand...
Yes, there was a big pot already built and yes the board was friendly, but you have 4 players left on the flop with no mentioned reads, a 3bet and capper PF behind you, you are being bet into, and your outs are discounted. If I sit at the button, I probably raise, but in the middle with the hand playing the way it did, I fold.
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"Don't judge a man until you have walked a mile in his shoes. Then you are a mile away, and have his shoes." - Anon.
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