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elipsesjeff

08-23-2005, 03:43 AM Post subject: Time to me to post some stats

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I'd been wanting to do it for a while, but then again not really. Maybe this will give some discussion on what is really optimal in aggressive upper limit games:

Hands with 8-10 players in them, generally a full ring game:

9864 Hands
21.47 VPIP
14.38 PFR
WSD 37 (I call down, ALOT)
W$SD 54.5 (I win, ALOT)

Hands with 4-7 players in them, generally a 6 max style game:

4289 Hands
33.43 VPIP
21.68 PFR (I like to isolate)
WSD 36.32
W$Sd 54.2 (Isolating weak players allows me to win more)

Hands with 2-3 players in them, generally an extreme shorthanded table:

365 Hands
44.66 VPIP
36.71 PFR (raising any two at some points)
WSD 38.25
W$SD 44.79

Overall Agg: 2.58

F: 2.75
T: 2.66
R: 2.11

Range of hands:

22-55

251 hands
66.14 VPIP
45.02 PFR
WSD 29.82
W$SD 56.86
Win % 26.69

66-99

259 hands
91.89 VPIP
69.11 PFR
WSD 40.08
W$SD 52.63
Win % 45.56

TT-AA

337 hands
100 VPIP
WSD 65
W$SD 59.05
Win % 68.55

Overall winrate: 5.14 bb/100.

Alright, lets start the discussion.

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08-23-2005, 03:58 AM

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I really need to buy poker tracker, especially since i'm playing 2-4 now....

Without it, I can tell my biggest problem is not calling down enough. Earlier today I got raised on the turn, and almost folded TPGK, but figured the guy was on a draw. I called down and he showed 4

, a busted draw

Then later the CO raised, I 3-bet from the button with 9

, BB called

flop was all Q

, the BB bets.... (i had no read) I raised, he called.

turn 4

,... BB bets again, and i folded

BB shows K

the donk bets really throw me off

take your ego out of the equation and judge the situation dispassionately

Nehmer

08-23-2005, 05:25 PM Post subject: Re: Time to me to post some stats

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Quote:

Originally Posted by elipsesjeff

9864 Hands
21.47 VPIP
14.38 PFR
WSD 37 (I call down, ALOT)
W$SD 54.5 (I win, ALOT)

Overall Agg: 2.58

F: 2.75
T: 2.66
R: 2.11

I think I need to see some hands of these marginal calldowns you are making. My WSD is only about 32 with exactly the same W$SD. I'm sure part of it is that you are in more pots vs 1-2 opponents instead of 2-4 opponents that are in my 3/6 pots, but even taking that into consideration it still seems like I might not be calling down quite often enough. Might also be more people bluffing and betting semi-good hands too hard vs you because they see you as a semi-maniac from the pre-flop play even though your postflop numbers look to be more normal(kinda funny, but your flop/turn agg numbers are both exactly the same as mine, but you definately seem to keep it up a bit better on the river.

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08-23-2005, 08:49 PM

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This is all 15/30, right? I'm jealous.

As I recall, your 5/10 6max stats were considerably tighter than your 4-7 player stats posted above. What has changed about your game (or the game you play in) that allows you to do this?

What's your variance?

Looking at your stats, I clearly have a lot to learn.

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08-23-2005, 09:01 PM

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Party Poker (8 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K

, A

.
6 folds.

Flop: 3

, 8

, 5

(2 players)
UTG checks.

Turn: 4

(2 players)
UTG checks.

River: 8

(2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot:

Results in white below:
UTG has Ts Qs (one pair, eights).
Hero has Ks Ad (one pair, eights).
Outcome:

Party Poker (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A

, K

.
6 folds.

Flop: 7

, 9

, T

(4 players)
UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 checks, CO folds, UTG+2 folds.

Turn: 6

(2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero checks.

River: 7

(2 players)
.

Final Pot:

Results in white below:
UTG+1 has Js 5s (one pair, sevens).
Hero has As Kh (one pair, sevens).
Outcome:

Party Poker 15/30 Hold'em (8 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A

, K

.
Hero raises, UTG+1 3-bets, 6 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: (7.66 SB) J

, 5

, 9

(2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.83 BB) 8

(2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets, Hero calls.

River: (6.83 BB) 7

(2 players)
Hero checks, [color:#CC3333]UTG+1 bets[/color], Hero calls.

Final Pot: 8.83 BB

Results in white below:
Hero has Ad Kh (high card, ace).
UTG+1 has 2d 4d (high card, jack).
Outcome: Hero wins 8.83 BB.

Party Poker 15/30 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K

, A

.
[color:#666666]2 folds[/color], [color:#CC3333]Hero raises[/color], [color:#666666]1 fold[/color], [color:#CC3333]MP3 3-bets[/color], [color:#666666]4 folds[/color], Hero calls.

Flop: (7.66 SB) 5

, 4

, Q

[color:#0000FF](2 players)[/color]
Hero checks, [color:#CC3333]MP3 bets[/color], Hero calls.

Turn: (4.83 BB) 6

[color:#0000FF](2 players)[/color]
Hero checks, [color:#CC3333]MP3 bets[/color], Hero calls.

River: (6.83 BB) 4

[color:#0000FF](2 players)[/color]
Hero checks, MP3 checks.

Final Pot: 6.83 BB

Results in white below: [color:#FFFFFF]
Hero has Kd As (one pair, fours).
MP3 has Jc Ah (one pair, fours).
Outcome: Hero wins 6.83 BB. [/color]

Party Poker (6 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with T

, A

.
[color:#666666]4 folds[/color].

Flop: T

, 6

, 2

[color:#0000FF](2 players)[/color]
SB checks.

Turn: 9

[color:#0000FF](2 players)[/color]
SB checks.

River: J

[color:#0000FF](2 players)[/color]
SB checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot:

Results in white below: [color:#FFFFFF]
SB has Kh 2d (one pair, twos).
Hero has Ts Ad (one pair, tens).
Outcome: [/color]

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08-23-2005, 09:09 PM

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To follow on Nehmer's post, looking at your PFR with a full table and with low pocket pairs, you must be raising low pocket pairs UTG and EP. At 15/30, I am also curious as to how the table responds at that level against a raise from these positions as opposed to 2-4, where I am getting 2-3 callers against UTG and EP raises and would be worried about raising low pockets and having them hold up. Can you post a few examples of this at your level and how you play them?

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08-23-2005, 09:19 PM

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those hand histories are messed up preflop
are we supposed to infer that everyone calls before you do because it doesn't say fold or raise?

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08-23-2005, 09:20 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ltrain

Party Poker (7 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8

, 8

.
4 folds.

Flop: J

, J

, 7

(3 players)
Hero checks, MP2 folds, Button folds.

Final Pot:

Results in white below:
No showdown.

Party Poker (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 7

, 7

.
7 folds.

Flop: K

, 3

, K

(2 players)
Hero checks.

Turn: 5

(2 players)
.

River: 4

(2 players)
MP1 folds.

Final Pot:

Results in white below:
Hero has 7c 7h (flush, king high).
Outcome:

Party Poker (5 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with 6

, 6

.
2 folds.

Flop: 7

, 8

, 2

(3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, UTG folds.

Turn: 2

(2 players)
.

River: Q

(2 players)
.

Final Pot:

Results in white below:
MP has Ad Jd (one pair, twos).
Hero has 6c 6d (two pair, sixes and twos).
Outcome:

Party Poker (8 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with 6

, 6

.
4 folds, BB checks.

Flop: 9

, 3

, 9

(4 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 folds, MP2 folds.

Turn: A

(2 players)
Hero checks.

River: 8

(2 players)
Hero checks, BB checks.

Final Pot:

Results in white below:
Hero has 6s 6c (two pair, nines and sixes).
BB has 3s 2c (two pair, nines and threes).
Outcome:

Party Poker (6 max, 4 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with 5

, 5

.
1 fold.

Flop: 3

, 9

, 6

(3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

Turn: 3

(3 players)
SB checks, SB folds.

River: Q

(2 players)
Hero checks.

Final Pot:

Results in white below:
Hero has 5d 5h (two pair, fives and threes).
UTG has Jd Jh (two pair, jacks and threes).
Outcome:

Party Poker (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 6

, 6

.
7 folds.

Flop: T

, 8

(2 players)
UTG+1 checks.

Turn: 2

(2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero checks.

River: 3

(2 players)
UTG+1 checks.

Final Pot:

Results in white below:
UTG+1 has Qs Ks (one pair, eights).
Hero has 6c 6d (two pair, eights and sixes).
Outcome:

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08-23-2005, 09:22 PM

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some interesting calldowns there...i'd like to see your AK call down win %...

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08-23-2005, 09:30 PM

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Thanks, is there a problem with the hand converter?

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08-23-2005, 11:47 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ltrain

Thanks, is there a problem with the hand converter?

Delete the word "Texas" from "Texas Hold em"

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elipsesjeff

08-24-2005, 12:21 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by koolmoe

There was a real interesting post about being a complete LAG preflop but awesome post flop and killing people. Some guy over 160k hands is averaging 4 BB/100 running 40 vpip/20PFR at 30/60.

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08-24-2005, 07:08 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by elipsesjeff

There was a real interesting post about being a complete LAG preflop but awesome post flop and killing people. Some guy over 160k hands is averaging 4 BB/100 running 40 vpip/20PFR at 30/60.

Do you have a link?

Anyway, my initial thought is that the action you get on your big hands more than makes up for what you give up preflop if your opponents are poor. Particularly if they are weak. This kind of play also puts your opponents on tilt.

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08-24-2005, 11:02 AM

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Quote:

Overall winrate: 5.14 bb/100.

HEATER

(no real post value here)

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08-24-2005, 02:09 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by trikflow77

Quote:

Overall winrate: 5.14 bb/100.

HEATER

(no real post value here)

Its still a relatively low sample size. I had one really bad 180 BB downswing in there about 5k hands ago or so that really gave me hell. It all happened over the course of two days. The reason for this downswing was horrible table selection, I really had no datamine at the time to search for tables and I couldn't use PE. I started doing real well again once I datamined and I'm back to PE so its great.

Currently, I'm on an 80 BB downswing the past couple days, mostly due to inability to play because of class starting and everything. So, my winrate has dropped to around 4.75 because of such.

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08-24-2005, 02:40 PM

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Some thoughts:

Most mediocre players (think table coach) are under the impression that the big dividing lines among players are loose/tight and passive/aggressive. In their world loose < tight and passive < aggressive.

I believe that the dividing line between good and bad players is predictable/unpredictable.

While playing too loose preflop is a large error (because you make that decision EVERY hand), playing too predictably is an even bigger error, particularly if your aggression is such that the implied odds for hitting a well disguised monster overwhelm any preflop decisions.

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08-24-2005, 04:11 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by koolmoe

While playing too loose preflop is a large error (because you make that decision EVERY hand), playing too predictably is an even bigger error, particularly if your aggression is such that the implied odds for hitting a well disguised monster overwhelm any preflop decisions.

Good statement, that explains some of the large payoffs I get by 3 betting 66 and other medium pairs and flopping sets as well as taking down pots with two overcards on the board. They pay you off when you hit b/c they think you're bluffing by calling down with Ace high and they give you credit for the Ace on the flop even when you don't have it.

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08-24-2005, 05:22 PM

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Jeff, as far as seat selection, what are your priorities?

Obvious good seats:

-To the right of weak blind defenders
-To the left of weak players you can isolate
-Depending on your preference, to the left/right of a maniac (I prefer the right if he's totally maniacal, to the left he won't enter when I raise)
-Avoid giving up position to strong players

What are your priorities? Feel free to add to what I listed.

The fish in the 15/30 game has a different profile that the 60/3/0.8 guy at the lower stakes. What are characterisitics of a player you target?

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08-24-2005, 08:01 PM

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Playing too loose is a large error, but playing loose (bad) post flop is a LARGER error.

I think this is the correct statement.

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08-24-2005, 09:42 PM

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The most IMPORTANT, its how I look for tables:
1) To the left of weak players you can isolate

Somewhat important:
2) Have good players with position on me, I like to play on tables where blind stealing is not a factor, insomuch as it is a loose preflop game.

3) If there is a maniac I want to be on his left too, I isolate preflop and then become passive postflop and he'll pay me everytime.

The guys I target (and you'll be surprised at how many there are) have the 'phone' icon on PE, symbolizing calling station:

Generally, 40+ VPIP with <8 PFR and <1 agg. These guys are my favorite and I will subsititue as well. I'll take a 60/20 guy too or a 50/12. I like to see these guys see a lot of flops and with aggression factors less than one I fold to any playback and can call down with middle pair or better.

I also take lots of free turn cards with middle pair or worse and try to get them to bluff. Also, I value bet middle pair a lot if HU and he checked the turn/river to me.

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08-24-2005, 11:02 PM

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Ideally, I look for:

Party Poker 15/30 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with K

, K

.
UTG raises, 2 folds, Hero 3-bets, 2 folds, UTG calls.

Flop: (7.66 SB) 5

, 5

, 9

(2 players)
UTG bets, Hero raises, UTG calls.

Turn: (5.83 BB) 6

(2 players)
UTG bets, Hero raises, UTG calls.

River: (9.83 BB) 2

(2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets, UTG calls.

Final Pot: 11.83 BB

Results in white below:
UTG has 2c Jh (two pair, fives and twos).
Hero has Kh Ks (two pair, kings and fives).
Outcome: Hero wins 11.83 BB.

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08-25-2005, 03:47 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by koolmoe

Quote:

Originally Posted by elipsesjeff

There was a real interesting post about being a complete LAG preflop but awesome post flop and killing people. Some guy over 160k hands is averaging 4 BB/100 running 40 vpip/20PFR at 30/60.

Do you have a link?

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...psed&sb=5&o=14

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08-31-2005, 03:45 AM

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Fnord is an unknown quantity at this point

Granted, I think there were a few spots where I should have just folded pre-flop...

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08-31-2005, 03:54 AM

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i win!

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08-31-2005, 04:46 AM

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how do I post my stats? I am computer dumb.
Someone PM me and I'll edit this post.

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08-31-2005, 04:55 AM

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Just typing them into the forum is the easiest.

I opened a photobucket account, used PrintScreen to grab my desktop into the clipboard and MS paint to edit out the part I wanted. Then save off and upload. Finally, link in.

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08-31-2005, 05:14 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

Granted, I think there were a few spots where I should have just folded pre-flop...

Its fun playing more hands

Also you get called 'idiot' a lot more too. Is this a permanent thing or just a sample? Also, stop playing 2/4!!!

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08-31-2005, 07:12 AM

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I win the crazy award....
Bad month for 3/6.

I mentioned before I have been seeing a lot more flops, and cold calling A LOT more... Also raising and showing down some crazy hands...
I think it has worked really well at 5/10. I had a bad (-$200) session last week and my numbers still look real good.
(I know, SUPER small sample size)

This was a short-term thing... I think I learned a lot and can incorporate the good in with my game and hopefully unlearn the bad...

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08-31-2005, 11:00 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by koolmoe

Most mediocre players (think table coach) are under the impression that the big dividing lines among players are loose/tight and passive/aggressive. In their world loose < tight and passive < aggressive.

I believe that the dividing line between good and bad players is predictable/unpredictable.

While playing too loose preflop is a large error (because you make that decision EVERY hand), playing too predictably is an even bigger error, particularly if your aggression is such that the implied odds for hitting a well disguised monster overwhelm any preflop decisions.

You're on the right track, but there are SEVERAL pieces of the puzzle you're missing that allow for numbers like that to beat a game for a silly amount of money. Also, I think even Jeff will admit to running good being part of it. Yet certainly attaining win-rates that 8+ table farmers (with VERY few exceptions) could ever achieve.

Is Jeff really unpredictable or do people just think he is? Do they realize that he is targeting the donks and playing them very differently than he will play the thinking players? Are the thinking players hence often misadapting when playing him?

Random thought. Consider that when I ran into Hyper he was both on a wicked losing streak and happened to have IMHO the WORST possible seat at a lukewarm table. I don't think this was a co-incidence.

Overall, I think the biggest flaw in 2+2-think found at their boards (El Diablo hints at this as well) is that you can beat party N/N*2 game for X/BB per hundred. Ok, if pick random tables and 16 table (dropping the WORST games) do about 1/BB per 100 over a stretch. However, table conditions have a HUGE effect on your win-rate and swings.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y

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09-01-2005, 12:00 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by elipsesjeff

stop playing 2/4!!!

Fnord's a big bully

shiit if i'd play 100-200 if i had the roll

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

However, table conditions have a HUGE effect on your win-rate and swings.

this is so huge. I was a terrible player for the longest time, but always won big here and there because I always found good games to play in.

take your ego out of the equation and judge the situation dispassionately

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09-01-2005, 12:10 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hypermegachi

i win!

ya, right after I got pokertracker, I ran like that for at least 1500 hands... pretty lame

take your ego out of the equation and judge the situation dispassionately

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09-01-2005, 12:13 AM

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In loose games (mostly Fri/Sat nights) I can easily go up and down 50BB in 100 hands and have done 100BB both directions within 100 hands. Full table, pretty ABC poker with some typical mistakes mixed in. Heck, consider that I dropped an over 40BB pot once with 5 collective outs against me going into the river...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
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09-01-2005, 02:40 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

Being able to play enough hands to handle a downswing and finish everyday on a positive note is huge in winning.

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09-01-2005, 08:16 AM

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I also had a nice heater this month. Ignore the stint at 3/6, just a little bad run.

The .50/1 hands were all at the begining of the month, for obvious reasons, I have stopped playing those tables completely now.

I think higher win percentage of these particular hands may have had something to do with the hot run.

as opposed to the overall numbers

I see the "big dogs" of this post are playing substantially looser than I am. I have been playing to tight for a while, and have known it. Things to work on, in the near future.

Is that guy still part of the forum??

Fnord

09-01-2005, 08:20 AM

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With those stats, I don't see you beating the current Party 3/6 full game for any rate that makes it worth playing. Too many weak semi-aware players. You can't beat tight players by playing even tighter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y

koolmoe

09-01-2005, 01:00 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

Is Jeff really unpredictable or do people just think he is?

Predictability is dependent on many things, most importantly who is doing the predicting. A lot of folks, even at $15/$30 just aren't paying attention when they're not in the hand. Too much reliance on PT stats and trying to categorize players by them. Thus (some of) the consternation over DERB.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

Do they realize that he is targeting the donks and playing them very differently than he will play the thinking players? Are the thinking players hence often misadapting when playing him?

Not always and yes. And some of them are tilting against him in pretty bad spots. It's funny to watch.

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