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05-04-2005, 06:53 AM
Post subject: tight/passive tables?
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I was playing 2/4 at a B&M today and the small pots I won were not making up for the times I lost or folded. I actually won a lot of pots...something like 6-7 in about 90 minutes. But they were usually very small because no one would ever stay in the hand. How do I play a table like this? Do I play looser and bet strong?
There were some seriously bad people here. Someone check/called with the highest boat possible. Another guy caps preflop and folds for 1 small bet on the flop. I really wanted to stay longer to see how it would turn out, but I had to go. I would guess I was seeing about 30% of the flops (I was pretty much the only one raising preflop...one guy didn't even raise with pocket kings...so the blinds were always good for a flop)
Online...I would move to a different table. But here I don't get a choice.
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Element187
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Join Date: Mar 2005
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move to a different table ?!! are you insane ?!!?!?
theory of poker, you make money when your opponents make mistakes ... this table is the mecca of mistakes.
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I_got_the_nuts
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Join Date: May 2005
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If you are losing money at this kind of table, you need to be looking for major leaks in your game. I'm not trashing you, but this is ideal table to to make money with all kinds of hands, you probably should take the chair with you if have to get up. I see alot of these type of tables at Absolute, and one thing that works so many times its not funny is stealing the blinds. I'm not saying do it everytime with seven deuce in the hole, but with a respectable hand, you can get away with it more times than you would think. I feel your pain with the reads though. These tables make it almost impossible to put anyone on a hand. Just last night I saw a guy with KK in the BB just check PF behind 4 limpers and two hands later someone didn't raise AK suited on the button. I usually open my game up a bit and tend to be more aggressive than usually. If they suck that bad, make them pay for it.
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The possibility of physical and mental breakdown is now very real. No sympathy for the Devil, keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride.
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Element187
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Originally Posted by I_got_the_nuts
If you are losing money at this kind of table, you need to be looking for major leaks in your game. I'm not trashing you, but this is ideal table to to make money with all kinds of hands, you probably should take the chair with you if have to get up. I see alot of these type of tables at Absolute, and one thing that works so many times its not funny is stealing the blinds. I'm not saying do it everytime with seven deuce in the hole, but with a respectable hand, you can get away with it more times than you would think. I feel your pain with the reads though. These tables make it almost impossible to put anyone on a hand. Just last night I saw a guy with KK in the BB just check PF behind 4 limpers and two hands later someone didn't raise AK suited on the button. I usually open my game up a bit and tend to be more aggressive than usually. If they suck that bad, make them pay for it. |
you can sit at these juicy tables and lose money.. you have to havea hand at these tables to win, trying to outsmart and outplay players too awful to understand what your trying to do is not going to work.
when you play at a table like this, you stop playing the player and start playing the cards.. stop putting them on hands and start ramming and jamming your trips, straights, flushes, and full houses
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Well I came out about even, but everytime I got a hand there was 1 caller. If I hit some crap like top pair awful kicker, I'd bet it, but someone would always call, and he would have made a straight but just be calling.  This is where I lost some money. And at a "normal" table the pots are big enough so that when I get a flush or a boat, I win a lot more than when I lost to someone playing a monster passively.
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Element187
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if they are playing their monsters passively, they are making a mistake, meaning, you profit.. even if you lose that hand.
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"Imagine how it would be to be at the top Making cash money, Go and tour all around the world, Tell stories about all the young girls." - The Prodigy - Girls
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I_got_the_nuts
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Join Date: May 2005
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I'm a little confused now. Are we talking about a bunch of people playing "fit or fold" (loose preflop/tight postflop) or just a an ultra tight table featuring 9 oppenents who have half a clue between all of them?
BTW, if all you had was TP weak kicker, you probably had no business being in that hand in the first place, unless you were in the blinds, or your kicker was weak cuz you had A6 suited or some similiar type of hand.
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The possibility of physical and mental breakdown is now very real. No sympathy for the Devil, keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride.
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ChezJ
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Join Date: Oct 2004
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30% is quite high. play more premium hands and steal more pots when you have position and it's checked to you. if the table's too tight post flop, then all you have to do is bluff at more scary boards.
ChezJ
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Flush
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Originally Posted by I_got_the_nuts
BTW, if all you had was TP weak kicker, you probably had no business being in that hand in the first place, unless you were in the blinds, or your kicker was weak cuz you had A6 suited or some similiar type of hand.
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that would be the case. I think I had like k6 on the big blind and hit the king one hand. I bet and they just call and then flip over a monster...oh well...didn't cost me too much.
The real annoyance was when I would finally make a hand. Flop 4 to the flush, I bet and everyone but one person would fold. Come on...this is 2/4...the lowest stakes there. I suppose it didn't help that I won most of the showdowns. They probably had a pretty good idea that I would bet only with a very strong hand, but that's actually not the case, I was just showing a lot of strong hands.
So should I change my playing style at a table like this? Try to bluff more heads up against people I know to be somewhat weak? Or should I keeping playing the same way I always would?
I'm wondering if this may be a problem with my acting. I try to not change expressions and act the same way while I'm in a hand. Any *general advice for this? I know this subject can get very complex and many books have been written on it so I wouldn't ask anyone to go into details.
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