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Fnord

10-10-2005, 02:29 AM Post subject: Ths stupidest 5cd play I've ever seen

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Table "Benaulim" (real money) -- Seat 9 is the button
Seat 1: Davron ($43.75 in chips)
Seat 3: Fnord ($93.50 in chips)
Seat 5: melvin6 ($45.00 in chips)
Seat 7: gq_can ($51.00 in chips)
Seat 9: Kris-10 ($38.50 in chips)
Davron : Post Small Blind ($0.50)
Fnord : Post Big Blind ($1)
Dealing...
Dealt to Fnord [ 7d ]
Dealt to Fnord [ 5d ]
Dealt to Fnord [ 6d ]
Dealt to Fnord [ 3c ]
Dealt to Fnord [ 4h ]
melvin6 : Fold
gq_can : Fold
Kris-10 : Fold
Davron : Raise ($1.50)
Fnord : Raise ($2)
Davron : Call ($1)
Davron draws 3
Fnord stands Pat
Davron : Bet ($2)
Fnord : Call ($2)
*** SUMMARY ***
Pot: $9.75 | Rake: $0.25
Davron lost $5 (showed hand) [ Td Kc Kd Kh 8s ] (three of a kind, kings)
Fnord bet $5, collected $9.75, net +$4.75 (showed hand) [ 7d 5d 6d 3c 4h ] (a straight, three to seven)
melvin6 didn't bet (folded)
gq_can didn't bet (folded)
Kris-10 didn't bet (folded)

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10-10-2005, 02:59 AM

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he shouldnt have bet should he.

why didnt u raise? ( i dont kno the betting rules for five stud)

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10-10-2005, 03:01 AM

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Was the play by you for not raising? I dunno 5cs though. Becuase I'm not a rounder. But him drawing 3 HAS to mean he has a pair, so he's a longshot for a full boat.

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Fnord

10-10-2005, 03:07 AM

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If your hand only beats a bluff (any stand pat hand beats his trips), why would you bet into someone who going to bet almost 100% of the time in that spot.

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10-10-2005, 03:10 AM

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Yah, I know why his donk bet was stupid. I still don't see why you arnt raising.

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10-10-2005, 03:18 AM

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Yah, I know why his donk bet was stupid. I still don't see why you arnt raising.

-'rilla

If he has a boat (the only hand where this line *might* make sense) I get 3-bet here a lot.

With smaller pots, post-draw in 5cd plays much more passive than the river in Hold'em.

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10-10-2005, 03:25 AM

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This river play is worse...

Game #1018090251 - $1/$2 5-Card Draw - 2005/10/09-21:18:36.6 (CST)
Table "Comoros" (real money) -- Seat 7 is the button
Seat 1: Fnord ($92.00 in chips)
Seat 3: itsrose ($18.75 in chips)
Seat 5: hateful ($40.00 in chips)
Seat 7: the Beak ($91.50 in chips)
Seat 9: RED12345 ($20.25 in chips)
RED12345: Post Small Blind ($0.50)
Fnord : Post Big Blind ($1)
hateful : Sit out
Dealing...
Dealt to Fnord [ 5c ]
Dealt to Fnord [ 8c ]
Dealt to Fnord [ 8h ]
Dealt to Fnord [ Td ]
Dealt to Fnord [ Ts ]
itsrose : Raise ($2)
the Beak: Fold
RED12345: Raise ($2.50)
Fnord : Call ($2)
itsrose : Raise ($2)
RED12345: Call ($1)
Fnord : Call ($1)
RED12345 stands pat
Fnord draws 1
itsrose stands pat
Discarded by Fnord [ 5c ]
Dealt to Fnord [ 8s ]
RED12345: Bet ($2)
Fnord : Raise ($4)
itsrose : Call ($4)
RED12345: Raise ($4)
Fnord : Call ($2)
itsrose : Call ($2)
*** SUMMARY ***
Pot: $29 | Rake: $1
Fnord bet $10, collected $29, net +$19 (showed hand) [ 8s 8c 8h Td Ts ] (a full house, eights full of tens)
itsrose lost $10 [ 2c 4h 5d 6s 3c ] (a straight, two to six)
hateful didn't bet
the Beak didn't bet (folded)
RED12345 lost $10 (showed hand) [ 5h 9h Kh 3h 7h ] (a flush, king high)

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10-10-2005, 03:25 AM

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Your scared of the guy drawing 3 cards to a boat?
Man thats one hell of a draw, you missed one.

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10-10-2005, 03:29 AM

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Your scared of the guy drawing 3 cards to a boat?
Man thats one hell of a draw, you missed one.

Updated the HH since they don't include the number of cards drawn.

Consider that any Pat hand is at least a straight unless they're bluffing.

Both my opponents stand pat. I cry and take some darn long implied odds.

My opponent bets his flush. I raise my boat. The the third guy calls with a pretty weak straight with the action still open and both opponents representing better hands. After he cold calls, the flush 3-bets repping a boat or 4oak or straight flush. I've made it clear I beat a pat hand and the other guy still called, the 3-bet is suicide. Tens full becomes a clear call because there is a good enough chance I lose here boat over boat and I want the over-call.

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10-10-2005, 03:47 AM

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One final Pat hand from today (I don't have the HH)

Opponent raises
I 3-bet
We've been going at it quite a bit and my timing looking him up has been horrible.
Opponent caps.
I call with A2345

Opponent stands pat
I stand pat

Opponent checks
I check behind.

MHIG.

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10-10-2005, 05:11 AM

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Where do you play 5 card draw? I used to play a lot on Paradise Poker.

That's a really bizarre play by that opponent. I'm not sure if you should have raised or not.

Fnord

10-10-2005, 05:28 AM

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That's a really bizarre play by that opponent. I'm not sure if you should have raised or not.

In the first hand, I still like the call. In the second I'm comming around to re-raising maybe being best as I'm not open to a 5-bet.

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10-10-2005, 07:43 AM

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Wiesenberg in his articles wrote about those donk players - they don't pay attention about opponents.

That donkey who bet into Fnord's pat hand was thinking "WOW I made TRIP KINGS! A MONSTER! OMG WTF LOL BET BET BET IT", and didn't know that by betting with drawn hand into pat hand he was representing "I can beat your complete hand so I will bet into you. I don't fear your standing pat". He should check/call if he thinks that Fnord is bluffing or checkfold if he believes him.

Did I analize it g00t?

I'd call it too.

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10-10-2005, 09:05 AM

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Did I analize it g00t?

I'd call it too.

You done g00t.

Quote:

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He should check/call if he thinks that Fnord is bluffing or checkfold if he believes him.

...or check/raise if he can beat a Pat hand and/or thinks I'm Mike Caro...

On this subject, I just starting mixing in Pat bluffs into my game. I've notec that I get No Call a lot on them when I'm legit. Went 1 for 2 on Pat bluffs today for a nice little profit....

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10-10-2005, 01:56 PM

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On this subject, I just starting mixing in Pat bluffs into my game. I've notec that I get No Call a lot on them when I'm legit. Went 1 for 2 on Pat bluffs today for a nice little profit....

Pat bluffs are cool, especially done with 257TJ rainbow hand

There's also a one g00t situation to bluff, works almost always for me (I play Sportingbet 1/2 limit and $50PL)

I'm BB, folds to SB, SB completes, I raise if I have middle pair or better, check if 66- or worse.

If SB takes 3, it's probably small pair draw. Then if I have total shit in hand I take 3 too. If not improved and checked to me I bet. SB folds his small pair about 70% of the time. If he is fancy or catch some miracle boat or trips, he can CR and I muck my craphand.

If I have a low pair and I didnt improve, I just show it down and hope for best.

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Fnord

10-10-2005, 02:29 PM

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Pat bluffs are cool, especially done with 257TJ rainbow hand

Why would you Pat bluff a hand with any value?

Then there is also the Caro classic (full table draw.) Raise a bunch of limpers with crap from position, stand pat and when it's checked to you spread 'em out on the table and ask "are these any good?"

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10-10-2005, 03:47 PM

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I used to do a lot of semi-bluffing when I played 5 card draw. I'd raise or reraise before the draw almost whenever I had a four-straight or four-flush, draw one card, then bet regardless of what I got. I'd also make the same play whenever I had two pair or three of a kind. After a while people were calling me after the draw with stuff like a pair of 7's.

Sometimes I'd even do this with a pair of aces or a similar hand since after a while my opponents were willing to call me with just about anything after I drew one card.

Fnord

10-10-2005, 06:21 PM

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I'll make the same play sometimes, but I'm VERY selective about who I'm targeting.

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10-20-2005, 12:08 PM

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5 card draw is a great game... check out this gem:

5 players. Me UTG, Shortstack on button has $3.80

I get dealt trip 10s, so I raise to $2
Shortstack then raises to $3
SB reraises to $4
I call, and Shortstack is all in for $3.80

SB stands Pat
I draw 2 and don't improve
Shortstack draws 1

SB bets. Now I think to myself no way this can be a bluff because he stands to gain absolutely nothing unless he can beat shortstack (in hindsight it was also possible that SB had aces up but that play would still be very unlikely in a 3 way pot capped pre-draw). So I fold.

SB shows a pair of 10s. Shortstack shows 2 pair for the pot. SB picks up his hard earned pot of $0.40

Next hand i get trips outdrawn by a pair of aces and have to call an end to a very successful session cos i was going on tilt.

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10-25-2005, 07:04 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by salsa4ever

I get dealt trip 10s..., so I raise to $2
...SB shows a pair of 10s.

Are you guys playing 5CD with wild cards or some non-standard deck? Where did the 5th T come from?

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10-25-2005, 07:14 PM

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I'd raise or reraise before the draw almost whenever I had a four-straight or four-flush, draw one card, then bet regardless of what I got

In a game where people are horrible calling stations, your not mathmatically hitting your flush enough to break even, nor is your bluff. At higher stakes against players that can fold it might be a diffferent situation. Maybe you are using this to setup an image to exploit later? The nastiest thing I have ever seen in 5draw. One guy raises from the CO, the BB re-raises and CO caps. The BB draws 4, the CO draws one. They cap postdraw in a quad over quad death trap.

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10-25-2005, 07:17 PM

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