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06-17-2004, 07:17 AM Post subject: Three times KK within 30 minutes look at results

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3/6 TexasHTGameTable (Limit) - Thu Jun 17 01:59:33 EDT 2004
Table Table 12660 (Real Money) -- Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: CHRISBALENT ( $191.75)
Seat 2: slake ( $47.75)
Seat 3: pipjr ( $47)
Seat 4: Dazanack ( $156)
Seat 5: noCRYing ( $371.50)
Seat 6: golfersc ( $118.50)
Seat 7: Amoeba5 ( $300.75)
Seat 8: Bobcaygeon ( $296)
Seat 9: vagavond ( $162)
Seat 10: banht ( $172)
Dazanack posts small blind (1)
noCRYing posts big blind (3)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to golfersc [ Kd, Kh ]
golfersc raises (6) to 6
Amoeba5 folds.
Bobcaygeon folds.
vagavond raises (9) to 9
banht folds.
CHRISBALENT folds.
slake folds.
pipjr folds.
Dazanack calls (8)
noCRYing folds.
golfersc raises (6) to 12
vagavond calls (3)
Dazanack calls (3)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Th, Jh, Ts ]
Dazanack checks.
golfersc bets (3)
vagavond calls (3)
Dazanack calls (3)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Qc ]
Dazanack checks.
golfersc bets (6)
vagavond calls (6)
Dazanack calls (6)
** Dealing River ** : [ Ah ]
Dazanack checks.
golfersc bets (6)
vagavond calls (6)
Dazanack raises (12) to 12
golfersc calls (6)
vagavond calls (6)
** Summary **
Main Pot: $99 | Rake: $3
Board: [ Th Jh Ts Qc Ah ]
CHRISBALENT balance $191.75, didn't bet (folded)
slake balance $47.75, didn't bet (folded)
pipjr balance $47, didn't bet (folded)
Dazanack balance $222, bet $33, collected $99, net +$66 [ 4h 6h ] [ a flush, ace high -- Ah,Jh,Th,6h,4h ]
noCRYing balance $368.50, lost $3 (folded)
golfersc balance $85.50, lost $33 [ Kd Kh ] [ a straight, ten to ace -- Ah,Kd,Qc,Jh,Th ]
Amoeba5 balance $300.75, didn't bet (folded)
Bobcaygeon balance $296, didn't bet (folded)
vagavond balance $129, lost $33 [ Kc Ac ] [ a straight, ten to ace -- Ac,Kc,Qc,Jh,Th ]
banht balance $172, didn't bet (folded

LOSE TO 46 of hearts to capped Preflop: NICE FRICKEN PLAY

3/6 TexasHTGameTable (Limit) - Thu Jun 17 02:17:46 EDT 2004
Table Table 12660 (Real Money) -- Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: CHRISBALENT ( $205.75)
Seat 2: slake ( $28.75)
Seat 3: thatdude12 ( $30)
Seat 4: Dazanack ( $212)
Seat 5: noCRYing ( $354.50)
Seat 6: golfersc ( $148.50)
Seat 7: Amoeba5 ( $270.75)
Seat 8: JRoscoe ( $44)
Seat 9: shooter77777 ( $184)
Seat 10: banht ( $164)
slake posts small blind (1)
thatdude12 posts big blind (3)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to golfersc [ Kc, Kd ]
Dazanack calls (3)
noCRYing folds.
golfersc raises (6) to 6
Amoeba5 folds.
JRoscoe folds.
shooter77777 folds.
banht folds.
Dazanack: oops
CHRISBALENT calls (6)
slake folds.
thatdude12 folds.
Dazanack: bad call coming
Dazanack calls (3)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 9h, Tc, Jd ]
golfersc: lol
Dazanack checks.
golfersc bets (3)
CHRISBALENT folds.
Dazanack calls (3)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 8s ]
Dazanack checks.
golfersc checks.
** Dealing River ** : [ 4c ]
Dazanack bets (6)
golfersc calls (6)
** Summary **
Main Pot: $38 | Rake: $2
Board: [ 9h Tc Jd 8s 4c ]
CHRISBALENT balance $199.75, lost $6 (folded)
slake balance $27.75, lost $1 (folded)
thatdude12 balance $27, lost $3 (folded)
Dazanack balance $235, bet $15, collected $38, net +$23 [ 7h 7d ] [ a straight, seven to jack -- Jd,Tc,9h,8s,7h ]
noCRYing balance $354.50, didn't bet (folded)
golfersc balance $133.50, lost $15 [ Kc Kd ] [ a pair of kings -- Kc,Kd,Jd,Tc,9h ]
Amoeba5 balance $270.75, didn't bet (folded)
JRoscoe balance $44, didn't bet (folded)
shooter77777 balance $184, didn't bet (folded)
banht balance $164, didn't bet (folded)

LOSE TO 77 drawn out straight NICE FRICKEN CARDS

Dazanack: Chris is horrible
3/6 TexasHTGameTable (Limit) - Thu Jun 17 02:53:51 EDT 2004
Table Table 12660 (Real Money) -- Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: CHRISBALENT ( $239.25)
Seat 2: scmdl26 ( $35)
Seat 3: bballerdc ( $66)
Seat 4: Dazanack ( $353.50)
Seat 5: winmangee ( $271)
Seat 6: golfersc ( $85.50)
Seat 7: Amoeba5 ( $278.25)
Seat 8: alooser ( $147)
Seat 9: LillyEvans ( $248.25)
Seat 10: girlieeyes ( $107)
golfersc posts small blind (1)
Amoeba5 posts big blind (3)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to golfersc [ Kc, Kd ]
alooser folds.
LillyEvans calls (3)
girlieeyes folds.
CHRISBALENT calls (3)
scmdl26 calls (3)
bballerdc folds.
Dazanack folds.
winmangee folds.
golfersc raises (5) to 6
Amoeba5 folds.
LillyEvans calls (3)
CHRISBALENT calls (3)
scmdl26 calls (3)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Jh, 6s, 9s ]
golfersc bets (3)
LillyEvans folds.
CHRISBALENT calls (3)
scmdl26 folds.
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 8h ]
golfersc bets (6)
CHRISBALENT raises (12) to 12
golfersc calls (6)
** Dealing River ** : [ 7c ]
golfersc checks.
CHRISBALENT checks.
** Summary **
Main Pot: $54.50 | Rake: $2.50
Board: [ Jh 6s 9s 8h 7c ]
CHRISBALENT balance $272.75, bet $21, collected $54.50, net +$33.50 [ 8c Js ] [ two pairs, jacks and eights -- Js,Jh,9s,8c,8h ]
scmdl26 balance $29, lost $6 (folded)
bballerdc balance $66, didn't bet (folded)
Dazanack balance $353.50, didn't bet (folded)
winmangee balance $271, didn't bet (folded)
golfersc balance $64.50, lost $21 [ Kc Kd ] [ a pair of kings -- Kc,Kd,Jh,9s,8h ]
Amoeba5 balance $275.25, lost $3 (folded)
alooser balance $147, didn't bet (folded)
LillyEvans balance $242.25, lost $6 (folded)
girlieeyes balance $107, didn't bet (folded)

LOSES TO J 8 offsuit. NICE FRICKEN LUCK

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WOULDN"T MIND LOSing to AA or AK but 46, 77, J8?
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06-17-2004, 07:34 AM

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06-17-2004, 07:41 AM

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Fnord is an unknown quantity at this point

I had a 4 for 8 streak going with AA...

I like how you controled the damage on the second one. I probably would have just bet out on the turn.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y

Toasty

06-17-2004, 07:48 AM

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Wow that is some bad luck, I hope you stuck around long enough to take the 64s persons money.

My KK hands lose roughly once in every four hands according to poker tracker, so your's might now stand the up for the next 12 you get, with everything being equal

Poker is all about the long long long long long long long term . . .
Barney's back . . . back again . . .

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06-17-2004, 07:52 AM

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I'm more like 1 out of 3, but then again I think Toasty plays short handed?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y

scgolfer

06-17-2004, 08:13 AM

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I won one fricken hand the whole time I was there ace high flush for like $40. Didn't make up for my -$86 or whatever losing with KK to crap cards!! Driving me crazy! I am down $556 playing 3/6 up that much playing 2/4. I play the same at both levels and I am sure the competetion is about the same from what I see. Dont understand. I need some understanding before I break my computer.

Holy crap I cant play against Yoda!!

Toasty

06-17-2004, 09:41 AM

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A 100BB swing is not uncommon, next session you have, don't post bad beats here but post your whole session.

I'll take a peak and see if I can offer any help, you might be hitting tilt and not realising or paying people off or something. Limits a stange game it only take a couple of mistakes every 100 hands to lose money. I had an 80BB downswing on Sunday, had me really questioning my play. I went through PT with a fine tooth comb, tightened up and started to break even. Now i'm doing great, last session was 4 hours and I averaged 17BBs/hour

I think the only diff was that when i was running bad the marginal cards i played before really cost me, even when I filtered out the bad hands I still would have lost on the downswing day.

I think when you are running bad the best you can hope for is breaking even, but once it returns to normal or good you will make a killing.

If you have PT Golfer, Id suggest going through it and replaying every single set of loseing hands and see if they were down to bad beats or bad play.

What's your Flops seen % ?, I'm averaging 35% including the blinds. On 3/6 you have to play tighter from the SB than usually as its only 1/3 of a SB opposed to 1/2. I found during my downswing if I had folded everysingle hand in the SB and not even played it I would have saved myself over 50BBs

same for the Big blind.

Fnord, yeah i'm playing SH, I'm moving up to 2/4 next month as I should have the bankroll by then, PP doesn't have SH at that level but i've been advised to sit down at tables of 5 and move when they reach 8 players and I can still play my SH style. As a plus i'm also told I should win even more as everyone else will be playing typical full, not sure how much of a diff this will make if any at all.

Poker is all about the long long long long long long long term . . .
Barney's back . . . back again . . .

Fnord

06-17-2004, 06:20 PM

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Golfer,

Your game probably could probably use some work as well. I recall seeing some weak play when you were on full tilt but wasn't going to go there at the time...

Keep thinking positivly...

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Fnord is SB with K

, K

.
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 calls, CO raises, Button folds, Fnord 3-bets, BB calls, MP3 folds, CO caps, Fnord calls, BB calls.

Flop: (13 SB) T

, K

, A

(3 players)
Fnord bets, BB calls, CO raises, Fnord 3-bets, BB folds, CO caps, Fnord calls.

Turn: (11 BB) T

(2 players)
Fnord bets, CO raises, Fnord 3-bets, CO caps, Fnord calls.

River: (19 BB) 9

(2 players)
Fnord bets, CO calls.

Final Pot: 21 BB

Results in white below:
Fnord shows Kh Ks (full house, kings full of tens).
CO shows 3h Ah (two pair, aces and tens).
Outcome: Fnord wins 21 BB.

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Fnord is SB with 7

, 8

.
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO calls, Button calls, Fnord completes, BB checks.

Flop: (5 SB) 2

, 8

, 9

(5 players)
Fnord checks, BB checks, MP1 checks, CO bets, Button folds, Fnord raises, BB folds, MP1 calls, CO calls.

Turn: (5.50 BB) 5

(3 players)
Fnord checks, MP1 checks, CO bets, Fnord calls, MP1 calls.

River: (8.50 BB) 6

(3 players)
Fnord checks, MP1 checks, CO bets, Fnord raises, MP1 folds, CO calls.

Final Pot: 12.50 BB

Results in white below:
Fnord shows 7d 8s (straight, nine high).
CO shows Kd Th (high card, king).
Outcome: Fnord wins 12.50 BB.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y

Fnord

06-17-2004, 07:22 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Toasty

If you have PT Golfer, Id suggest going through it and replaying every single set of loseing hands and see if they were down to bad beats or bad play.

I suspect he's missing value bets, which just reviewing losers won't reveal.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y

scgolfer

06-17-2004, 07:52 PM

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IS there a way to cut and paste PT stats or do you have to retype all of them, I would like to post my stats and have guys look at them to see if you can see anything? I know my aggression number is low due to preflop non-reraising. I am trying to fix that problem now.

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Fnord

06-17-2004, 08:04 PM

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Better yet, is there somewhere we can dump PT databases for us to share?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y

Toasty

06-17-2004, 08:10 PM

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you can export them to excel and then cut and paste from there...

A dbase for all our PT stat would be cool, we could merge the data bases and entrust someone with it, i.e. i email you my dbase you merege with yours and save it seperately, everyone else does the same, we could take turns updating it.

Poker is all about the long long long long long long long term . . .
Barney's back . . . back again . . .

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06-17-2004, 08:16 PM

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Quit thinking so hard

Zipping up the database file and posting to an FTP site should work for those of us with broadband. Just need to find someone that could set it up...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y

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06-17-2004, 08:31 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by scgolfer

Yeah, cold calling is often a really bad idea.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y

Fnord

06-19-2004, 04:52 AM

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I'm so proud of this laydown...

LAg was a little gun-shy after getting the worst of it on several hands against me.

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Fnord is Button with K

, K

.
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO raises, Fnord 3-bets, SB (TightSolid) calls, BB (LAg) caps, UTG+1 folds, CO folds, Fnord calls, SB (TightSolid) calls.

Flop: (15 SB) 2

, 4

, 5

(3 players)
TightSolid checks, LAg bets, Fnord raises, TightSolid calls, LAg 3-bets, Fnord caps, TightSolid calls, LAg calls.

Turn: (13.50 BB) 3

(3 players)
TightSolid checks, LAg bets, Fnord folds, TightSolid calls.

River: (15.50 BB) T

(2 players)
TightSolid checks, LAg bets, TightSolid calls.

Final Pot: 17.50 BB

Results in white below:
TightSolid shows 8h Ah (straight, five high).
LAg shows As 5s (straight, five high).
Outcome: TightSolid wins 8.75 BB. LAg wins 8.75 BB.

edit: I think I jinxed myself...

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Fnord is CO with K

, K

.
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, Fnord raises, Button calls, SB folds, BB calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (10.50 SB) 7

, T

, A

(5 players)
BB checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, Fnord bets, Button calls, BB folds, MP1 calls, MP2 raises, Fnord folds, Button calls, MP1 calls.

Turn: (8.75 BB) 6

(3 players)
MP1 checks, MP2 bets, Button folds, MP1 folds.

Final Pot: 9.75 BB

Results in white below:
No showdown. MP2 wins 9.75 BB.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y

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06-19-2004, 05:55 AM

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The bad beats listed in the first post are mainly a side effect of playing limit poker. At least if the opponents made good folds ... which of course doesn't always happen.

On the first hand, a big preflop raise which would be automatic with KK should definitely scare that 64s away. But if it didn't, you would be in trouble, since the paired tens would slow you down anyway. But still ... the guy may be crazy enough to limp in with that hand and then call your raise preflop (kind of had pot odds by then), but if he limped in for $3 in NL, I still don't see how he'd call a significant raise.

The second hand is the clearest case of limit holdem benifiting the chasers. After a big preflop bet, with that flop you'd certainly bet it strong, to chase out people on straight draws. No way he'd call with 3 over cards and an inside straight draw (for the low end of a one card straight)

In the third hand, the player should've definitely folded to a large bet / raise preflop and should've at the flop at well with that kicker.

But hey, it goes both ways. You have more bad beats in limit holdem, but they hurt more in no limit.

Xianti

06-19-2004, 06:38 AM

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Look at this ugly mess:

0/0 TexasHTGameTable (NL) - Sat Jun 19 02:09:58 EDT 2004
Table Table 14218 (6 max) (Real Money) -- Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 2: Xianti ( $140.98)
Seat 3: jeremy007200 ( $62.50)
Seat 4: Doughnator ( $15)
Seat 5: skidbuddha ( $107.24)
Seat 6: biznizzy ( $70.45)
skidbuddha posts small blind (0.50)
biznizzy posts big blind (1)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Xianti [ Kc, Kd ]
Xianti raises (3) to 3
jeremy007200 calls (3)
Doughnator folds.
skidbuddha folds.
biznizzy calls (2)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 2s, Qd, 2c ]
biznizzy checks.
Xianti bets (10)
jeremy007200 folds.
biznizzy calls (10)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Tc ]
biznizzy checks.
Xianti bets (50)
biznizzy raises (57.45) to 57.45
biznizzy is all-In.
Xianti calls (7.45)
** Dealing River ** : [ 5s ]
Creating Main Pot with $142.40 with biznizzy
** Summary **
Main Pot: $142.40 | | Rake: $2
Board: [ 2s Qd 2c Tc 5s ]
Xianti balance $70.53, lost $70.45 [ Kc Kd ] [ two pairs, kings and twos -- Kc,Kd,Qd,2s,2c ]
jeremy007200 balance $59.50, lost $3 (folded)
Doughnator balance $15, didn't bet (folded)
skidbuddha balance $106.74, lost $0.50 (folded)
biznizzy balance $142.40, bet $70.45, collected $142.40, net +$71.95 [ 3c 2h ] [ three of a kind, twos -- Qd,Tc,2h,2s,2c ]

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06-19-2004, 06:47 AM

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Damn big blind. I guess if that guy already has a dollar in the pot, he'll call a 2 dollar raise with anything.

That's pretty damn bad though. 32 off ... man.

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06-19-2004, 06:55 AM

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Xianti,

Why did you bet out so much on the turn?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y

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06-19-2004, 07:03 AM

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Quote:

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Xianti,

Why did you bet out so much on the turn?

Good question. I guess I was a bit haste. I put him on a pair of Queens on the flop (no way I figured he had a 2), but I suppose he could've had a QT. Or perhaps AA.

Is that what you're suggesting?

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06-19-2004, 07:08 AM

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Quote:

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

Xianti,

Why did you bet out so much on the turn?

Good question. I guess I was a bit haste. I put him on a pair of Queens on the flop (no way I figured he had a 2), but I suppose he could've had a QT. Or perhaps AA.

Is that what you're suggesting?

Yeah, heck of a gamble to stick your stack out like that. Particularly with no draws out to put him on. Since you have position on him, you could have gone like $15-$20 on the turn. Then had a prayor of folding to a re-raise. If he flat calls, I would check behind him on the river unless I spiked a King.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y

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06-19-2004, 07:11 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

True. True. I guess I was just eager to put him all-in. Too eager.

As always, thanks for checking me, Fnord.

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06-19-2004, 07:19 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Xianti

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

Xianti,

Why did you bet out so much on the turn?

Good question. I guess I was a bit haste. I put him on a pair of Queens on the flop (no way I figured he had a 2), but I suppose he could've had a QT. Or perhaps AA.

Is that what you're suggesting?

Out of the big blind (even though you raised to 3X the big blind and he called), I'd put him on a 2 before putting him on AA. It looks like you maybe got worried that you were beat (or at least worried that you were going to get beat on the river - maybe worried he had AQ and he'd have 5 outs instead of just 2 with another kicker), and then tried to bet him out of it.

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06-19-2004, 07:34 AM

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As always, thanks for checking me, Fnord.

No prob. Tough problem. I'm not even sure you're better off with a small bet if he's a really bad player. After thinking about this some more, I think the key is Qx or a smaller pocket pair might fold to an overbet on the turn, but a hand that beats you will always call. However, if you underbet the turn a bit weaker hands just about always call and possibly go over the top. Also, I don't see a whole lot of hands calling that pot sized bet on that flop.

BTW, QT doesn't have you beat. Kings and twos is a better hand. You only fear AA, QQ and 2x. Add TT on the turn. I don't think any hand you're ahead of has more than 3 outs on the flop. (edit: AQ has 5, anything else has 3)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
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06-19-2004, 07:38 AM

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Also, I don't see a whole lot of hands calling that pot sized bet on that flop.

That's exactly what I was thinking, particularly with that hand being on the big blind and not reraising preflop. I'd put him on a 2 or Q high kicker, probably AQ.

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I don't think any hand you're ahead of has more than 3 outs on the flop.

AQ as I already said has 5 outs. The 2 remaining Qs and the 3 remaining As.

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BTW, QT doesn't have you beat. Kings and twos is a better hand. You only fear AA, QQ and 2x. Add TT on the turn. I don't think any hand you're ahead of has more than 3 outs on the flop.

Duh. Of course.

Man, this one hurt. Hurt bad.

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06-19-2004, 08:40 AM

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That's exactly what I was thinking, particularly with that hand being on the big blind and not reraising preflop. I'd put him on a 2 or Q high kicker, probably AQ.

Dude, this is an idiot playing from the BB on Party Poker. Think random hand and work from there.

Qx
2x
AA KK
All call that flop bet easy. If he's got you beat he's probably going to slow play it, because that's what he saw them do on the WPT episode last night.

JJ - 33
Might call, just to look you up. That was on the WPT episode last week.

However, that turn bet might make some of those hand take a pass...

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06-19-2004, 08:47 AM

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Dude, this is an idiot playing from the BB on Party Poker. Think random hand and work from there.

Funny stuff. I swear, sometimes, it's simply impossible to know what some of the players are holding at PP. They could have any two cards.

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06-19-2004, 09:56 AM

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[I swear, sometimes, it's simply impossible to know what some of the players are holding at PP. They could have any two cards.

A new avatar is born.

If you can't beat them, join them!

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Just as I was thinking about going back to PP I come across this post and 20 others just like it posted in the last day. Thank you all for reminding me why I left PP in the first place.

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Just as I was thinking about going back to PP I come across this post and 20 others just like it posted in the last day. Thank you all for reminding me why I left PP in the first place.

Where are you playing now?

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06-19-2004, 10:04 AM

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Just as I was thinking about going back to PP I come across this post and 20 others just like it posted in the last day. Thank you all for reminding me why I left PP in the first place.

I know what you mean man. The players are so bad, I just don't see how anyone makes any money...

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Fnord is UTG with K

, J

. MP3 posts a blind of $2. CO posts a blind of $2.
Fnord calls, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 raises, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 (poster) calls, CO (poster) calls, Button folds, SB folds, BB calls, Fnord calls.

Flop: (10.50 SB) T

, A

, Q

(5 players)
BB checks, Fnord bets, UTG+2 raises, MP3 folds, CO folds, BB folds, Fnord calls.

Turn: (7.25 BB) 9

(2 players)
Fnord bets, UTG+2 raises, Fnord 3-bets, UTG+2 calls.

River: (13.25 BB) 2

(2 players)
Fnord bets, UTG+2 calls.

Final Pot: 15.25 BB

Results in white below:
Fnord shows Ks Js (flush, ace high).
UTG+2 shows 9d Jd (one pair, nines).
Outcome: Fnord wins 15.25 BB.

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Fnord is SB with A

, 4

.
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, MP3 calls, CO calls, Button folds, Fnord raises, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls.

Flop: (14 SB) K

, 5

, 2

(7 players)
Fnord bets, BB folds, UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, MP1 raises, MP3 folds, CO folds, Fnord calls, UTG folds.

Turn: (9.50 BB) 2

(2 players)
Fnord checks, MP1 checks.

River: (9.50 BB) 3

(2 players)
Fnord bets, MP1 raises, Fnord 3-bets, MP1 calls.

Final Pot: 15.50 BB

Results in white below:
MP1 shows 8s 6s (flush, eight high).
Fnord shows As 4s (straight flush, five high).
Outcome: Fnord wins 15.50 BB.

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (8 handed) converter

Preflop: Fnord is UTG+1 with Q

, K

.
UTG calls, Fnord calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, CO calls, Button folds, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (7 SB) K

, 2

, K

(7 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Fnord bets, MP1 raises, MP2 folds, CO folds, SB folds, BB folds, UTG folds, Fnord 3-bets, MP1 calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) J

(2 players)
Fnord bets, MP1 calls.

River: (8.50 BB) K

(2 players)
Fnord bets, MP1 calls.

Final Pot: 10.50 BB

Results in white below:
Fnord shows Qh Kh (four of a kind, kings).
MP1 shows 9s 9h (full house, kings full of nines).
Outcome: Fnord wins 10.50 BB.

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (7 handed) converter

Preflop: Fnord is MP1 with A

, K

.
UTG folds, Fnord raises, MP2 calls, CO folds, Button folds, SB folds, BB calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) J

, 6

, 3

(3 players)
BB checks, Fnord bets, MP2 calls, BB calls.

Turn: (4.75 BB) 8

(3 players)
BB checks, Fnord bets, MP2 calls, BB folds.

River: (6.75 BB) 9

(2 players)
Fnord checks, MP2 checks.

Final Pot: 6.75 BB

Results in white below:
Fnord shows Ad Ks (high card, ace).
MP2 shows 7h Ah (high card, ace).
Outcome: Fnord wins 6.75 BB.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
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06-19-2004, 10:07 AM

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I know what you mean man. The players are so bad, I just don't see how anyone makes any money...

Hahahaha, Fnord.

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06-19-2004, 10:17 AM

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I've been playing on UB for the last month...getting cold cards so I pulled out and I'm about to slide into Paradise..lol. I'm also testing the juice at The Gaming Club...seeing how far their free $15 will take me on my journey.

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Have you guys tried the Prima network?

7 Sultans gives out a free $15 to sign up with as well. I actually turned that into a grand in a week, building it up on a cheap table, and moving onto SNGs and higher limit tables.

I ended up blowing most of that grand though. Damn pocket queens for $400 ...

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Can't you see the genius at work? Raise a semi-tight/solid UTG limper with A9s from UTG+1. Then screw the over-call potential, raise the nut flush draw + overcard and bet out on the turn (cheap cards are for sissies.) No way one of those Party Poker rocks calls down with a Queen or Jack. Clearly we're out matched here guys...

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (8 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J

, A

.
Hero calls, UTG+1 raises, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, CO folds, Button folds, SB calls, BB folds, Hero calls.

Flop: (7 SB) Q

, 3

, J

(3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 raises, SB folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (5.50 BB) 5

(2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets, Hero calls.

River: (7.50 BB) 7

(2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks.

Final Pot: 7.50 BB

Results in white below:
Hero shows Jh Ah (one pair, jacks).
UTG+1 shows 9s As (high card, ace).
Outcome: Hero wins 7.50 BB.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y

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06-19-2004, 10:24 AM

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...I'm about to slide into Paradise..lol.

Ugh... Paradise...
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...pic.php?p=7012

I found their interface to be dreadfully cumbersome and impractical.

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7 Sultans gives out a free $15 to sign up with as well. I actually turned that into a grand in a week, building it up on a cheap table, and moving onto SNGs and higher limit tables.

Hmmm.....you must take us here at FTR as suckers, eh?

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I found their interface to be dreadfully cumbersome and impractical

Can you put dat dare in laminces tirms fer us unedumacatid fokes?

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06-19-2004, 10:29 AM

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I found their interface to be dreadfully cumbersome and impractical

Can you put dat dare in laminces tirms fer us unedumacatid fokes?

Sorry. Are my multisyllabic words making you dizzy?

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Sorry. Are my multisyllabic words making you dizzy?

You have no idea...after reading post after post and trying to analyze all the crap poker has to throw at me...the last thing I want is mutisyllabic words in these posts. You're the admin, you should know this. Try to keep the words somewhere between 1-2 syllables. :P

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roffle

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roffle

For those of you who are curious, as I was as well here is a reference to "roffle". http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=roffle Now I just have to figure out in which way he meant it. As you can see I am bored, going on 11 hours of this dreadful 12 hour shift.

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You had to look it up? But it's only 2 syllables!

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True, true....but as you can see it was found in an "urban dictionary"

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Word.

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Hmmm.....you must take us here at FTR as suckers, eh?

Nope I'm being serious. It was the best rush I've ever had, about 4 months ago. And sadly I'm being serious about blowing most of it too. That was the worst stretch of poker I've had (and I lost most of it in one day).

As for the pocket queens, I was at a very aggressive high stakes NL table (when I should've stayed at a lower limit). Every hand someone was raising huge preflop, and I decided when I got a real hand I was going to teach them a lesson ...

So here comes QQ. I bet $30 or something, and a guy raises me to $80. I shove all in for $400, sure that he'll be folding, not even thinking about what a guy would have if he raised me that much. He thinks about it for a few seconds and then calls. He had pocket aces and hit another on the flop. Then I went on an insane level of tilt. Many lessons to be learned.

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