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Fnord

03-04-2005, 06:22 AM Post subject: Three crying calls

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Preflop: Fnord is Button with 9

, 9

.
1 fold, MP raises, Fnord 3-bets, 2 folds, MP calls.

Flop: (7.33 SB) K

, 8

, 7

(2 players)
MP bets, Fnord raises, MP 3-bets, Fnord calls.

Turn: (6.66 BB) T

(2 players)
MP bets, Fnord calls.

River: (8.66 BB) 8

(2 players)
MP bets, Fnord calls.

Final Pot: 10.66 BB

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Preflop: Fnord is MP1 with K

, K

.
3 folds, Fnord raises, 4 folds, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (6 SB) Q

, Q

, T

(3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Fnord bets, SB calls, BB folds.

Turn: (4 BB) A

(2 players)
SB checks, Fnord bets, SB raises, Fnord calls.

River: (8 BB) Q

(2 players)
SB bets, Fnord calls.

Final Pot: 10 BB

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Preflop: Fnord is UTG+1 with T

, T

.
1 fold, Fnord raises, UTG+2 calls, 2 folds, MP3 calls, CO calls, 2 folds, BB calls.

Flop: (10.33 SB) 4

, Q

, 9

(5 players)
BB checks, Fnord bets, UTG+2 calls, MP3 calls, CO folds, BB folds.

Turn: (6.66 BB) 3

(3 players)
Fnord checks, UTG+2 checks, MP3 checks.

River: (6.66 BB) 5

(3 players)
Fnord checks, UTG+2 bets, MP3 calls, Fnord calls.

Final Pot: 9.66 BB

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03-04-2005, 06:53 AM

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Hand 1: fold preflop

Hand 2: STBY

Hand 3: Bet the turn.

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03-04-2005, 06:58 AM

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why did you check that turn on hand 3?

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03-04-2005, 07:01 AM

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Hand 1: fold preflop

When a somewhat aggro CO open raises, 99 is an easy 3-bet.

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03-04-2005, 08:02 AM

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Hand1: What do you put him on after the 3-bet on the flop?

And

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why did you check that turn on hand 3?

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03-04-2005, 10:00 AM

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Hand 1 I'd probably only call down if he's a habitual bluffer. The draw emerging on the turn forces the rest of the hand.

Hand 3 is somewhat read-dependent? Does these players call the flop for runner-runners? If so you have to bet and fold to a raise?

Edit: Unless they'll raise the turn w/ they catch a draw, as some do...

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03-04-2005, 10:37 AM

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why did you check that turn on hand 3?

Brief outbreak of weak/tight disease.

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03-04-2005, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by elipsesjeff

Hand 1: fold preflop.

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Was your monitor displaying those cards upside-down?

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03-04-2005, 02:30 PM

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Was your monitor displaying those cards upside-down?

Umm, no. First, I didn't notice it was a 6-max game. Damn you for not saying it was shorthanded. Also, wheres the read on CO here in the HH?

Secondly, yes, I fold this to a raise in full ring as you are generrally dogged if ANY card over a T comes out. Most preflop raisors have at least two overs or a larger pocket pair, leaving you even further behind (at best you are a coinflip). If you don't believe me, consult SSH's tight chart on what to do in MP with 99 facing a raise....

99 is only good when you have either have lots of people in the pot, say 5+(hoping to spike a set), or few people in the pot (hoping to get all unders), such as 3-. You have to hope that your opponent didnt make a hand, and with a couple overs, its -EV to call down. Again, I say this in a full ring game; short handed its a similar to how Fnord played it.

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03-04-2005, 03:34 PM

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yes, I fold this to a raise in full ring as you are generrally dogged if ANY card over a T comes out. Most preflop raisors have at least two overs or a larger pocket pair, leaving you even further behind (at best you are a coinflip)

I guess i have microlimit habits I'm going to need to break when/if I move up. At .25/.50, .5/1 a PFR is as likely to be Axo as a larger pair. Lotta T8s and shit, too.

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The lowest I've seen a guy (a thinking person) raise with recently is A9o. The only reason I saw this was because I three bet accidently with KJs and had to play it passive-aggressive the whole way when I knew the guy had his ace when he didnt fold the flop. He also was deathly scared of me because he refused to bet the river even after i took teh free card.

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03-04-2005, 08:22 PM

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You had to be smoked on that KK hand. I three bet 99 against a late postion open raiser, if the player is decent. Yes, you are a coin flip with overs, but they will miss the flop enough times to make this profitable. 5 handed, I say ita a no brainer.

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I won all 3 hands.

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03-04-2005, 08:29 PM

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nice, what the hell did the player have when you had KK. Just about every hand possible beats you except JJ or the guys a turd.

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03-04-2005, 08:52 PM

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Although I cried and was hoping flush...

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03-04-2005, 09:04 PM

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one the second hand, i put your opponent on the flush which you outdrew on the river.

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Yes, you are a coin flip with overs, but they will miss the flop enough times to make this profitable.

I disagree with that point. You never know where you are going to be at if any over falls. AJ or KQ are common raises, even ATs. Thus, you must call/reraise and anyone in a HU pot that caught a pair is going to call you down. You don't want to go to showdown with 99, you would like to fold them out. Granted, by showing more Preflop aggression you do this, but you also commit the other guy to a hand if he does hit a pair.

secondly, the whole point of it being a coinflip is that they will not miss enough to make it profitable, at best its break even because the majority of players will call another small bet to see the turn card. Then they check to you on the turn, do you see the free card? do you bet again hoping they fold? Throw in the chance they raise with a TT or higher, and you are losing money on this play.

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