Originally Posted by I_got_the_nuts

You'd isolate with that hand? Wow, thats aggressive. Is that only when the raise comes from directly to your right? You wouldn't do that if UTG raised and it was folded all the way to you on the button, would you?? Shaky ground at that point, unless UTG was a complete moron.

Originally Posted by I_got_the_nuts

You really think tracking software makes that much difference? It all seems so speculative to me with every situation being different and people can argue all day long about certain stats reflecting too high too low too tight too loose. Maybe I'll give it a test run one of these days.

Originally Posted by face

Are there any pokerTrackerish aps for Mac, or am I just SOL (like I am with almost all online poker)?

Originally Posted by Shark Bait

time to upgrade.

Poker Tracker is very useful...although not too easy to use with UB.

Originally Posted by Fnord

Macs suck

Originally Posted by face

Thanks for your help.

Originally Posted by Element187

see i have Poker Tracker, but i dont understand the app that much .. the most i do is import hands from party and empire, then, open up the ring button, search for my name and click details, thats about all i know how to do.

Originally Posted by I_got_the_nuts

Just wanted to hear some other players thoughts on this hand. I've heard people say they won't even limp with this hand in LP with a couple not so good players already in the pot!! This seems ultra tight if you ask me, but I don't use any tracking software (I average around 45BB profit a session, so whats the point really?). I think as long as you can play reasonably well post flop, (more times than not, you are gonna have a good idea if you are dominated or not by the preflop action, ALMOST every hand that dominates QJ is gonna be raised preflop) and you have a decent read on you oppenents, this isn't a bad hand at all, at least worth seeing the flop from late MP all the way to the blinds. Anyways, I just wanted to get some feedback from the hardcores with PokerTracker and 30 million hands or whatever under their belt. Does it show a consistent loss over the long haul? Thanks all.

Originally Posted by metaxy6

And I'll sometimes try to steal with it on the button. I am not the most aggressive button player though (since I generally like my raises to be respected), so I need a read on how likely the blinds are to defend.

Originally Posted by metaxy6

There is a sweet analysis of QJ in Card Player March 16:
http://www.cardplayer.com/poker_maga...599&m_id=65557

Here's the summary:
"Against two players who have entered the pot voluntarily with Krieger’s early-position hands, Q-J is only 21 percent likely to be the best hand by showdown. Against middle-position hands, the rate is 26 percent, and it improves to 32 percent against late-position hands. Throw in a few random hands, and it does make up some ground. With two middles and two randoms, Q-J wins about 18 percent, close to its 20 percent fair share. Still, you’d like to get substantially more than your fair share, not less....Given that Q-J is no more (perhaps less) likely than other hands to have hit the flop, it’s unlikely to be profitable against tight opponents, unless you think you can outplay them substantially after the flop."



In short, QJ is just too doggy to get involved with it other than multiway from late position for 1 bet.

After reading this, I started folding QJ in early position in solid games and limping MP if the game is passive. I'll sometimes limp early with it at loose tables. And I'll sometimes try to steal with it on the button. I am not the most aggressive button player though (since I generally like my raises to be respected), so I need a read on how likely the blinds are to defend.

Originally Posted by honsheung

Qjo muck in late postion= muck

Am i too conservative

Originally Posted by Fnord

Yes

Originally Posted by Fnord

You so silly. QJo is an easy open-raise from the button/co. I hope they disprespect my pre-flop raises, because I usually have the best hand and I'm not going to meekly back down often enough to re-steal with impunity.

Originally Posted by Fnord

I make very few adjustments between 6 max and full (after 4 folds.) In either game I'm open-raising QJo from the Hijack, Cut-off and Button. Behind a single loose limper I might raise, I might fold depending on the limper. Behind 2+ limpers I'm calling (although I might fold in the Hijack.)

QJo is a pretty good hand. You don't make money in poker by folding pretty good hands when faced with no resistance.

Originally Posted by metaxy6

Even in a max 6 ring game, I'm licking my chops at people rasing QJ o from early position. When I catch them doing this, I'm going to make them pay by consistently 3 betting them.

Originally Posted by honsheung

HIjack, Cut-off from buttom. Would you mind explaining to me?

Originally Posted by Element187

see i have Poker Tracker, but i dont understand the app that much .. the most i do is import hands from party and empire, then, open up the ring button, search for my name and click details, thats about all i know how to do.

Originally Posted by Fnord

Consider that by failing to raise marginal hands you're both giving too much information to aware players and missing oportunities to play marginal hands (usually with position) against horrible players.

I raise aggressivly and taunt players when I showdown a real stinker because the truth is I'm really a tight player who just picks spots to get pre-flop aggro and makes a close raise here and there. I'm usually the guy with the best hand and I want action! Sure as hell beats raising 72o from UTG to "advertise" and other such sillyness.

Tight players that don't play many hands are just giving me more chances to play marginal hands against the horrible players to get their money first.