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Chopper

10-06-2008, 09:17 PM Post subject: thin value contest..

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just for you, spenda...

surely, 3pr calls me at this level, and my read on one player was that he was a total station...the one i split with, and HE thought forever.

i know "only better calls," but, wouldnt "better" have taken a stab at this pot somewhere? so, i figure i'll take my chances with a K (which may fold) and pick up all the idiots that think i'm full of crap..

0.25/0.5 Limit Holdem
5 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($13.15)
CO ($24.70)
BTN ($12.95)
SB ($11.00)
Hero ($10.60)

Pre-flop: (1.4 SB, 5 players) Hero is BB

1 fold, CO calls, BTN calls, SB calls, Hero checks

Flop:

(4.0 SB, 4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, CO checks, BTN checks

Turn:

(2.0 BB, 4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, CO checks, BTN checks

River:

(2.0 BB, 4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, 2 folds, SB calls

Final Pot: 4.0 BB
SB shows:

Hero shows:

SB wins 2.0 BB ( won +0.5 BB )
Hero wins 1.9 BB ( won +0.4 BB )
BTN lost 0.5 BB
CO lost 0.5 BB

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Chopper

10-06-2008, 09:19 PM

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here's another...

villain to my left was aggro, but when passive a total showdown muppet. so, i am waiting for a raise to slow down...

0.25/0.5 Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
Hero ($13.70)
UTG+1 ($13.20)
CO ($88.45)
BTN ($24.40)
SB ($8.45)
BB ($10.95)

Pre-flop: (1.4 SB, 6 players) Hero is UTG

Hero raises, 2 folds, BTN calls, 1 fold, BB calls

Flop:

(6.4 SB, 3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BTN calls, BB calls

Turn:

(4.7 BB, 3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BTN calls, BB calls

River:

(7.7 BB, 3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BTN calls, BB calls

Final Pot: 10.7 BB
BB shows:

Hero shows:

BTN shows:

Hero wins 10.2 BB ( won +6.7 BB )
BB lost 3.5 BB
BTN lost 3.5 BB

LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.

Nothing beats flopping quads while dropping a duece!

bigspenda73

10-07-2008, 05:35 AM

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dude in the first hand you both play the board

it's an awful bet if the rake hasn't capped yet

bigspenda73

10-07-2008, 05:39 AM

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hand 2 also looks bad, as the most likely hands for villains are like QJ/QT, a better nine, trips (now) or a busted straight draw

DrivingDog

10-07-2008, 06:38 AM

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I clearly had the best hand...

FTR Hand History Converter Output (intended for copying and pasting into poker forums!):
PokerStars Limit Hold'em, $4.00 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q

, 5

2 folds, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls, Hero checks

Flop: (4 SB) 8

, 6

, A

(4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, CO checks, Button checks

Turn: (2 BB) 8

(4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, CO checks, Button checks

River: (2 BB) 6

(4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, 3 folds

Total pot: $8 (2 BB)

"You can fool some of the people all of the time, and those are the ones you want to concentrate on." (George Bush).

DrivingDog

10-07-2008, 08:06 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

dude in the first hand you both play the board

it's an awful bet if the rake hasn't capped yet

There's four players in hand 1. No-one's shown any interest in the pot. Might as well take a stab imo.

Hand 2 you're assuming his opponents only call the flop and turn with decent hands. Obviously that's not the case in this game at least. It's an easy b/f imo.

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bigspenda73

10-07-2008, 09:19 AM

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i dont mind the turn bet

it's the river bet I dont like in hand 2

Chopper

10-07-2008, 01:25 PM

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hand one, imo, this is the same principle as Ahi on a dbl paired board. are we playing the board? sort of. but, we know any boat would likely raise us. if it calls around, our Ahi has some value...so, JX has some here, too, because KX/JX may fold and 9X/8X may call.

hand two, what does that 8 on the river do to our hand to make us change our mind that we are beat? if nothing else the river 8 provides us a bit of a scare card. Ahi plays this hand the same way villain did, if they think we are prone to bluffing. both a TPGK and another 8 raise us, or they should most times, leading me to believe neither of those exist. both streets are b/f. the river bet also keeps the pressure on a weak Q and possibly gets a fold down here. after all, look at what they showed down...this happens all the time (where they wont fold pp's or Ahi) and that gives these hands MUCH more value, even if QX doesnt raise us at any point. at a more aggressive table, though, the turn is likely a c/f with 3 players.

somehow, i thought after the "bet when in doubt" advice and the "Khi uberthin value" hand, you would be more supportive of these hands.

what did i miss? i thought my thoughts were reasonably sound.

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bigspenda73

10-07-2008, 05:36 PM

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I explained my reasoning, you never get a fold in hand 1, the fact that he called only in hopes to chop proves this

In hand 2 your oppoents range is made up of either better hands on the river or busted straight draws that cannot call a bet, therefore you're typically only getting called/raised by better hands and getting folds from worse ones.

Chopper

10-07-2008, 05:50 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

I explained my reasoning, you never get a fold in hand 1, the fact that he called only in hopes to chop proves this

i felt that stupid three pair hands would call down here, and possibly 9X. i see some really awful stuff from stations. maybe Jhi is stupid to bet there, but does that mean you would bet Khi on that board?

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

In hand 2 your oppoents range is made up of either better hands on the river or busted straight draws that cannot call a bet, therefore you're typically only getting called/raised by better hands and getting folds from worse ones.

maybe by players that have a brain. i see pp's/btm pr hands that wont fold, and Ahi hands that wont fold down here all the time. however, i see Q6 call down, too. i agree that worse should NOT call a bet here on this river, but i get amazed at how often they do.

LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.

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bigspenda73

10-07-2008, 06:11 PM

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hell yea I'm betting king hi in hand 1

Chopper

10-07-2008, 07:50 PM

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k thx. just wanting to see where the "line" was.

LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.

Nothing beats flopping quads while dropping a duece!

asdpikas

10-31-2008, 11:35 PM

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Nothing out of the ordinary... I'm not the greatest thin value bettor.
I could post a lot of hands, but most of them i thought i was bluffing.
This is one from yesterday where i actually had a read that let me value raise Ahi on the river (without a read, calling down here is standard)

I dont think i'll come close to you guys, but i had to post at least one hand

2/4 Limit Holdem
5 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($145.50)
CO ($138.75)
Hero ($130.93)
SB ($218.62)
BB ($172.25)

Pre-flop: (1.5 SB, 5 players) Hero is BTN

2 folds, Hero raises, SB 3-bets, 1 fold, Hero calls

Flop:

(6.0 SB, 2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls

Turn:

(4.0 BB, 2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls

River:

(6.0 BB, 2 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, SB calls

Final Pot: 10.5 BB
Hero shows:

Hero wins 10.2 BB ( won +5.2 BB )
SB lost 4.8 BB

asdpikas

11-13-2008, 01:04 AM

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how bout this? villain is a huge station...

1/2 Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG+1 ($51.50)
CO ($75.00)
BTN ($24.00)
SB ($13.50)
Hero ($25.50)

Pre-flop: (1.5 SB, 6 players) Hero is BB

1 fold, CO says "I see what u mean", CO says "i tried to lose", CO says "and didnt", CO says "hmmm", 1 fold, BTN raises, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, BTN calls

Flop:

(6.5 SB, 3 players)
Hero bets, BTN calls

Turn:

(4.2 BB, 3 players)
Hero bets, BTN calls

River:

(6.2 BB, 3 players)
Hero bets, BTN calls

Final Pot: 8.2 BB
BTN shows:

Hero shows:

Hero wins 7.9 BB ( won +3.9 BB )
BTN lost 4.0 BB

Chopper

11-14-2008, 01:11 AM

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that is pretty good. i dont know if i have the balls for that one. i see the 2s there a bit too often...lol.

LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.

Nothing beats flopping quads while dropping a duece!

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