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davis13
Old 03-05-2009, 09:01 PM     Post subject: Theoretical Raising range #1 (permalink)  
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Lately I have been opening way too much UTG and this is what I hope to be a general range of what I open raise since I feel like I am leaking way too much money post when I do not flop hard enough despite the fact I am running bad. My range therefore was not strong enough and this is hopefully a good start to a general idea of what I want to raise UTG. Any thoughts on nittiness or spewage for this range?

Keep in mind that with this range I tried to not use low wraps at all, and keep high card strength as well as good wraps. I find that hands with 4s in them like 8764ss are too weak since they rarely flop a monster and if they do you will be drawing to a lower straight on a 538 board in which 679x has you dominated.

I also tried to make my large pairs really connected and am trying to stay away from raising hands like QQ86ss, they are strong but are not quite strong enough imo from UTG and I definitely don't think I am losing value from not playing those hands but I could be wrong.

Full Wraps

KQJTss-8765ss

Bottom Gap Wraps

KQJ9ss-9875ss

Middle Gap Wraps

KQT9ss-9865ss

Top Gap Wraps

KJT9ss
QT98ss
J987ss

Speculative Bottom 2 Gap Wraps (these should probably not be played)

KQJ8ss
QJT7ss
JT96ss

Top and Bottom Gap Wraps

KJT8ss
QT97ss

Broadway Combos

AKQJss
AKQTss
AKQ9ssk
AKJTss
AKJ9ssk
AKT9ssk
AQJTssq
AQJ9ssq
AQT9ssq
AKQxds
AKJxds
AKTxds
AQJxds
AQTxds
AJTxds

Suited Ace Wraps

AJT9ssa-A765ssa
AJT8ssa-A875ssa
AJ98ssa-A865ssa

AAxx ss

Double Pairs

AAyy y=y
KKyy
QQJJ
QQTT
QQ99
JJTT
JJ99
JJ88
TT99
TT88
9988
9977
8877

Kings

AKKx ssa
KKQJ ss
KKQT ss
KKJT ss
KKJ9 ss
KKT9 ss
KK98 ss
KK87 ss
KK76 ss
KK65 ss

Queens

AQQx ssa
KQQJ ss
KQQT ss
QQJT ss
QQJ9 ss
QQT9 ss

Jacks

AJJx ssa
KQJJ ss
KJJT ss
QJJT ss
QJJ9 ss
JJT9 ss
JJT8 ss
JJ98 ss

Bottom Pair Wraps

QJTT ss
JT99 ss
T988 ss
9877 ss
8766 ss
7655 ss

Middle Pair Wraps

JTT9 ss
T998 ss
9887 ss
8776 ss
7665 ss

Top Pair Wraps

TT98 ss
9987 ss
8876 ss
7765 ss

Bottom Pair Gap Wraps

KQTT ss
QJ99 ss
JT88 ss
T977 ss
9866 ss
8755 ss

Middle Pair Gap Wraps

QTT9 ss
JTT8 ss
T997 ss
9886 ss
8775 ss

Top Pair Gap Wraps

TT97 ss
9986 ss
8875 ss
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Old 03-05-2009, 09:16 PM #2 (permalink)  
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 FR or 6 max? Also I assume you are not open limping at all?

I'm incapable of not opening a legit rundown >5432 regardless of suits. But I tend to agree that I probably should not play some of the low ones. I can't imagine ever folding say KQJT.

I would also open all AAxx and hands like KK35ss. Probably any double suited KK. I would much rather play those than stuff like 8755 or 7665. That's especially true if you will usually just be 3b by AAxx.

In generally how much 3 betting is going on is important - I would add rundowns and subtract pair hands if you expect to be 3 bet a lot (and you can't just move tables).

More or less list looks good imo.
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Old 03-05-2009, 09:22 PM #3 (permalink)  
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Yea 6 max sorry I forgot to say that, I do open any KKxxds I forgot to add that, I just tend to fold AAxx that isn't suited or connected, its more or less set mining OOP but I could be wrong, I hate personally hate open limping thanks to Holdem and it keeps my range "wide", idk limping is just so stupidly weak I would rather have the initiative OOP, but thats the holdem player in me talking.

Also about the 3 betting comment I actually find that the best thing in a 3 bet pot is high card suited value, since so many players will get AI on flops with combo draws but having the higher flush draw+pair or overpair is huge and are generally a 70%+favorite over their draw. This is of course if I am assuming that can 3 bet much wider than AAxx.
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Old 03-06-2009, 03:10 AM #4 (permalink)  
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AAxx at least a limp i reckon, u can get a stack off an overset and if someone raise u can fist pump reraise
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Old 03-06-2009, 07:23 AM #5 (permalink)  
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 what stakes are you playing, that makes a huge difference PF in PLO
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Old 03-06-2009, 03:20 PM #6 (permalink)  
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 Maybe I'm a bit nittier than I thought. But I think with a lot of these hands your creating a bloated pot that OOP, leaves you vulnerable to a dominating wrap or flush. Unless you can always get away from these types, I know I can't always, I see no problem with limping some UTG, especially at a limpy table. But that also depends on the stakes you play also.

I think you can also mix in a limp/raise with some of them too. That way when you do hit, your hand is somewhat disguised too. And the shove two pair types will stack off, because they "know' you have naked aces.

PLO allows you to be more creative with hands than NL, imo. Dont think you have to play a set way from a certain position.

BTW. LOL at folding aces. Just my opinion. But when I filter PTO, AAxx hands are by far my largest winners long term, and I'd be surprised if this wasn't the case for most players over a significant sample. And KKxx is right up there too.
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Old 03-20-2009, 05:34 PM #7 (permalink)  
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I play 50 and 100 PLO spenda. I generally don't fold AAxx ever but sometimes when you get like AA52r, it just seems like your playing for set value only but granted I will just start limping these and see how that goes. I also got rid of some weaker wraps that require exact flops, although it seems that hands like QT97ds play much better than 8754ds regardless of the gaps because of high card value and not worrying about having non nut straight draws. Mostly at these stakes you have two dominant types of players, loose passive fish pre and tight nitty regs that still can't 3 bet non AAxx unless its like QJT9ds.
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Old 03-20-2009, 09:08 PM #8 (permalink)  

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:s/ quite confusing....But i usually fold AAxx sometimes when i have AA52r..
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Old 05-13-2009, 04:16 PM #9 (permalink)  
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BTW. LOL at folding aces. Just my opinion. But when I filter PTO, AAxx hands are by far my largest winners long term, and I'd be surprised if this wasn't the case for most players over a significant sample. And KKxx is right up there too.
How? I play them, but as soon as I take some heat and there isn't an obvious "problem" with the board, I figure my opponent is on 2pair+ and my aces are no good. I don't ever make decent money with them, since I figure that if my opponent is willing to put good money in with me, they must have me beaten already. I play at 20PLO, though.

If the board flushes, pairs, or straightens then I have to put my opponent on a flush, straight, or trips (often boat, even). It just seems like aces/kings never last long enough to make it to the river since you're beat if you actually get there.
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