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pokerlearner
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09-06-2005, 07:21 PM
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jmontis. thanks for reply. I wasnt looking for sympathy. What i wanted to know if tightening up a lot more than warranted is going to ease the downswing. I mean trying to force the VPIP down to artificially low levels , is that a good strategy ? because thats definitely 1 thing under my control. I cant control what will happen with the cards but definitely what hands I play
* play no suited connectors even from late position even after several people limped in
* dont play any raised pots unless I have AA or KK (maybe QQ)
* play only AA-JJ, AK, AQ
When people go through their downswing is this how they try to overcome it or play their regular game (ie play the regular cards they are supposed to play in their appropriate position)
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Xanadu
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I think if you tighten up this much, you are more likely to extend your down swing, and with playing so few hands, open yourself up to some serious tilt if you run into a few bad beats because there won't be enough hands in between to mellow you out.
Playing that tight just passes up on too many +EV hands. You gotta limp in those small pocket pairs and suited connectors and Axs when you are in late position with several limpers. You gotta play your strong suited hands like KQs and AJs from any position, and you need to be raising these with position. If you want to drop a few hands from your starting requirements to reduce some variance, that's ok, but you can't axe it down to JJ or AQ or better or I fold. If you want to cut some variance, take your usual starting hands in each position, and cut out the weakest unsuited hands from each group ...
You might cut out any unsuited hand other than AK UTG without hurting yourself too much, MP, maybe cut out hands like AJ and KJ, and LP, don't play unsuited hands unless both higher than a J. But I would play your pairs and suited hands the same as you think you should under normal cicumstances.
But, ideally, you shouldn't do any of this, because you seem to be having some kind of massive over the top reaction to a string of adversity. It looks like you are thinking 'All I've done is lose lately, so I'm going to cut out all the risk I can and beat it that way.' Problem is you can't cut out all the risk. You can sit down and say your only going to play Aces and Kings tonight, and you will probably lose money. Good chance you will lose money even on those hands you have AA and KK over one night. Your solution is only compounding your problem. You are taking away situations when you have the best of it instead of sitting down and calmly going over your whole game and figuring out why you are losing chips. If your game is good enough to win at your stakes, freaking out and totally messing with it because you have a couple bad weeks is just going to mess you up more. Hang in there, chill out, drop down or take a break if you need to ... you'll get through it.
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pokerlearner
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thanks a lot xanadu. I appreciate your advice.
I will continue my play as advised by you guys and let you guys know of the progress 5000 hands later...
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pokerfanatic
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It depends on the stakes what VP$IP is optimal or if it's short handed hu est.
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elipsesjeff
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Dont tighten up, if you think you have a solid game then the only thing you can do is play more hands and your downswing wont feel as bad.
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pokerfanatic
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Originally Posted by elipsesjeff
Dont tighten up, if you think you have a solid game then the only thing you can do is play more hands and your downswing wont feel as bad.
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so you're saying if he's running 40% VP$IP @ 1/2 not to aim lower... GAMB00L !!! Jeff you're a fish anyways... 
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“Dream as if you’ll live forever. Live as if you’ll die today.” ~ James Dean ~
"Poker is a lot like sex, peoples perceived ability usually blinds the truth" ~ me ~
"God bless him. Got to bet big to win big! GAMB00L!!!" ~ Fnord
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pokerlearner
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Pokerfanatic: i definitely dont have enough skills/insight/aggression to play short handed games and play only full ring game.
I find xanadu's approach excellent. give up the weakest offsuit cards for appropriate position and play the appropriate suited cards for those positions.
play suited connectors and pp in lp after 3 people limped in outside the blinds. I am not going to raise 77,88,99 being first for a while. I have a hard time figuring out where I stand after the flop if there is 1 overcard (with 2 i am probably check-calling it down..maybe a problem right there).
but like ed miller says money is lost or won mostly post flop i want to be very careful at what i am doing. dont want to make poor plays and blame it on variance !! 
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Xanadu
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If you have ed miller's SSH, read some, play trying to apply what you learned, go over your hand histories, rinse, repeat. If you can absorb and apply everything in that book, you will destroy the .50/1 online tables.
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Fnord
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2 posts same topic, this one really sucks so I'm locking it and letting the other one develop.
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