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Old 09-16-2005, 09:19 PM     Post subject: Thank you (lc) #1 (permalink)  
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To everyone that convinced me that it was a good idea to switch to party, thanks a lot.

Just...amazing...

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is UTG with T, T.
Hero raises, 1 fold, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, 1 fold, CO calls, Button calls, 2 folds.

Flop: (13.50 SB) 5, 3, 4 (6 players)
Hero bets, UTG+2 calls, MP1 raises, MP2 calls, CO calls, Button calls, Hero 3-bets, UTG+2 caps, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, CO calls, Button calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (17.75 BB) 4 (5 players)
Hero checks, UTG+2 bets, MP1 calls, CO calls, Button folds, Hero calls.

River: (21.75 BB) 6 (4 players)
Hero checks, UTG+2 bets, MP1 folds, CO folds, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 23.75 BB

Results in white below:
Hero has Td Tc (two pair, tens and fours).
UTG+2 has Qc Ac (one pair, fours).
Outcome: Hero wins 23.75 BB.


Very next hand, same guy. Not sure if the flop call is +EV, but I had a feeling the 5 was coming...just kidding

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 7, 4.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, 2 folds, CO calls, 2 folds, Hero checks.

Flop: (5.50 SB) 6, 8, Q (5 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets, UTG+2 folds, MP1 folds, CO folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (3.75 BB) 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets, Hero raises, UTG+1 3-bets, Hero caps, UTG+1 calls.

River: (11.75 BB) 3 (2 players)
Hero bets, UTG+1 raises, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 15.75 BB

Results in white below:
Hero has 7c 4c (straight, eight high).
UTG+1 has Qd 6h (two pair, queens and sixes).
Outcome: Hero wins 15.75 BB.


He left after that hand...but wow...if I encounter someone like this once a week that would be awesome. I certainly never saw this at UB 2/4. There are certainly a few good players here, but not as many per table.

btw, I just realized that these hands could provide some discussion, but that is not why I posted them. Especially the first hand...Very ugly board, but given the size of the pot, I figured I had to call down. Second hand I think the only big decision is to call or fold the flop.
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Old 09-16-2005, 09:24 PM     Post subject: Re: Thank you (lc) #2 (permalink)  
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To everyone that convinced me that it was a good idea to switch to party, thanks a lot.

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is BB with 7, 4.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, 2 folds, CO calls, 2 folds, Hero checks.

Flop: (5.50 SB) 6, 8, Q (5 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets, UTG+2 folds, MP1 folds, CO folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (3.75 BB) 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets, Hero raises, UTG+1 3-bets, Hero caps, UTG+1 calls.

River: (11.75 BB) 3 (2 players)
Hero bets, UTG+1 raises, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 15.75 BB

Results in white below:
Hero has 7c 4c (straight, eight high).
UTG+1 has Qd 6h (two pair, queens and sixes).
Outcome: Hero wins 15.75 BB.


He left after that hand...but wow...if I encounter someone like this once a week that would be awesome. I certainly never saw this at UB 2/4. There are certainly a few good players here, but not as many per table.

btw, I just realized that these hands could provide some discussion, but that is not why I posted them. Especially the first hand...Very ugly board, but given the size of the pot, I figured I had to call down. Second hand I think the only big decision is to call or fold the flop.
The second hand is what sucked.........6.5 to 1 to chase that gut shot with a backdoor flush draw...........LEAK Sorry for the discussion of the hand but plug it now.
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Old 09-16-2005, 09:43 PM     Post subject: Re: Thank you (lc) #3 (permalink)  
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The second hand is what sucked.........6.5 to 1 to chase that gut shot with a backdoor flush draw...........LEAK Sorry for the discussion of the hand but plug it now.
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Old 09-16-2005, 10:06 PM #4 (permalink)  
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haha that might have been at one of my tables that i got stuck like $50 on...
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Old 09-16-2005, 10:36 PM     Post subject: Re: Thank you (lc) #5 (permalink)  
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The second hand is what sucked.........6.5 to 1 to chase that gut shot with a backdoor flush draw...........LEAK Sorry for the discussion of the hand but plug it now.
You forgot to mention that he's closing the action.

I make that call. Particularly if I know I'm getting paid.

The only leak here is not 3-betting the river.
 
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Old 09-17-2005, 04:04 AM     Post subject: Re: Thank you (lc) #6 (permalink)  
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The second hand is what sucked.........6.5 to 1 to chase that gut shot with a backdoor flush draw...........LEAK Sorry for the discussion of the hand but plug it now.
You forgot to mention that he's closing the action.

I make that call. Particularly if I know I'm getting paid.

The only leak here is not 3-betting the river.
So if its HU and your closing the action your calling here with 6.5 to 1 odds?????

I'll pass
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Old 09-17-2005, 05:19 AM     Post subject: Re: Thank you (lc) #7 (permalink)  
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The only leak here is not 3-betting the river.
I thought about this a little afterwards too, but given that he saw me cap the turn and he still raises the river, I was too scurred of the flush.

I really don't have much to say about the flop call though. The real point of the hand is that he 3 bets a check raise with 2 pair, and still raises the river.

I dunno...maybe these are not great examples of my "luck" at party. All I can say is that things are going slightly better. Not that anything was going bad at UB, but I seem to be getting a lot more action with my monsters and a lot more bluffing.
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Old 09-17-2005, 06:14 AM     Post subject: Re: Thank you (lc) #8 (permalink)  
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The second hand is what sucked.........6.5 to 1 to chase that gut shot with a backdoor flush draw...........LEAK Sorry for the discussion of the hand but plug it now.
You forgot to mention that he's closing the action.

I make that call. Particularly if I know I'm getting paid.

The only leak here is not 3-betting the river.
So if its HU and your closing the action your calling here with 6.5 to 1 odds?????

I'll pass
Implied odds.
He will get 2x the current pot if he hits making his odds 13-to-1
10-to-1 to hit his draw
but of course you 3-bet the river and call if he caps
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Old 09-17-2005, 06:52 AM #9 (permalink)  
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I agree with fnord here, you got to make this call. Even with bottom pair you make this call here. You don't even have to take into account implied odds here, as pot odds justify it, implied odds are icing on the cake.


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Old 09-17-2005, 08:03 AM #10 (permalink)  
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I agree with fnord here, you got to make this call. Even with bottom pair you make this call here. You don't even have to take into account implied odds here, as pot odds justify it, implied odds are icing on the cake.
making this call with bottom pair is different.....you might already have the best hand . You wont be able to call the double size turn bet if you miss either......... so with out backdoor flush draw it is a CLEAR fold. Even with the backdoor flush draw i think the call is thin.
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Old 09-17-2005, 08:24 AM #11 (permalink)  
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I agree with fnord here, you got to make this call. Even with bottom pair you make this call here. You don't even have to take into account implied odds here, as pot odds justify it, implied odds are icing on the cake.
making this call with bottom pair is different.....you might already have the best hand . You wont be able to call the double size turn bet if you miss either......... so with out backdoor flush draw it is a CLEAR fold. Even with the backdoor flush draw i think the call is thin.
Plus, I've shown that IMPLIED ODDS ALONE ASSUMING HE HAS A PAIR OF ACES IN THE POCKET AND A PAIR DOESN'T HELP YOU JUSTIFY THAT CALL. As in, he is justified to take one off and fold if he doesn't hit and it will be EV+

Backdoor flush draw makes it a call on the turn if he gets a four-flush. Then he has another shot at the straight and a shot at the flush.
But even without it, he has the implied odds to take one off.
He's getting 13-1 on a 10-1 shot
What's there not to understand?

Actually what happens is that he gets a pot FOUR TIMES as big as the pot on the flop. He's getting 25-1 in implied odds.
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Old 09-17-2005, 06:44 PM #12 (permalink)  
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At a full table, I'd rather call here with a gutshot than bottom pair because the gutshot is drawing to a stronger hand. Folding the gutshot would be horrible. I gotta run now, but I'll post some more on this later.
 
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