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TylerK
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06-01-2005, 04:05 AM
Post subject: Tell me to start laying this down
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4-of-a-Kind
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This scenario comes up fairly regularly, and the results are fairly predictable. I raise preflop and an unimaginative player coldcalls. I flop something like top pair and bet, he flat calls. Turn card is a brick. I bet, he raises. How confidently can I laydown a TPTK-type hand here? It seems to be a fairly consistently safe laydown. Thoughts?
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TylerK: its just gambling if i want to worry about money i'll go to work lol
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ArcticKnight
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Can you post a couple of examples. Be easier to give feedback than to say, in general, calldown with your TPTK.
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gabe
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i dont fold TPTK much HU.
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I think this is entirely read dependant. I have laid down AK when I flopped top 2 pair twice, both times against a tight player who had a set.
I have also taken AK unimproved to showdown against a player who had raised me on the turn and won.
Without a read against an unimaginative player you have to consider their likely holdings, and understand that you may have outs against 2 smaller pair or something similar. If the pot is large, it is usually incorrect to fold. Against an agressive player who will raise with a wide range including hands you can beat, you are often tied to the pot.
In a blind war situation or shorthanded, it is almost always incorrect to fold top pair, and heads up often any pair has showdown value.
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To win in poker you only need to be one step ahead of your opponents. Two steps may be detrimental.
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Fnord
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Depends on the limit and player. In general, top pair is my minimum to call down turn raises.
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TylerK
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Here's an example. My default response is to go into calldown mode.
(I know it's not an exact example because I wasn't the aggressor preflop, but it illustrates the concept I'm referring to.)
Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter
Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A , J. CO posts a blind of $2.
4 folds, MP2 raises, Hero calls, 1 fold, Button calls, 1 fold, BB calls.
Flop: (9.50 SB) 7, 9 , A (4 players)
BB checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets, Button calls, BB calls, MP2 folds.
Turn: (6.25 BB) 3 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, Button folds, BB raises, Hero calls.
River: (10.25 BB) K (2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.
Final Pot: 12.25 BB
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TylerK: its just gambling if i want to worry about money i'll go to work lol
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Fnord
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3-bet pre-flop.
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TylerK
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Fnord
3-bet pre-flop.
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Fine, pretend I did if it better illustrates the example. Pretend I just posted the flop and turn action.
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TylerK: its just gambling if i want to worry about money i'll go to work lol
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Fnord
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by TylerK
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Originally Posted by Fnord
3-bet pre-flop.
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Fine, pretend I did if it better illustrates the example. Pretend I just posted the flop and turn action. |
Post-flop is fine.
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TylerK
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I don't know, it seems like villain is following a standard donk-being-tricky template. I wonder if there's any way to filter pokertracker to look just at hands like this one?
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TylerK: its just gambling if i want to worry about money i'll go to work lol
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gutshot
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It truly is a read dependent situation as stated above. Even if he IS being tricky, I'm calling down HU here to see wtf he is up to and maybe still win the hand. I see that turn donkbet alot and still get shown a weak hand.
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