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asdpikas

10-04-2009, 04:37 PM Post subject: T6o

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 10

, 6

2 folds, MP1 raises, 3 folds, Button calls, SB calls, Hero calls

Flop: (8 SB) 10

, 3

, 5

(4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, MP1 calls, Button calls, 1 fold

Turn: (5.5 BB) 6

(3 players)
Hero bets, MP1 raises, 1 fold, Hero calls

River: (9.5 BB) A

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets, Hero?????

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KoRnholio

10-04-2009, 06:09 PM

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I fold preflop. Why not 3bet the turn? Looks to me like JJ+. As played I call. He could well have AK-AJ of clubs.

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asdpikas

10-04-2009, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by KoRnholio

I fold preflop. Why not 3bet the turn? Looks to me like JJ+. As played I call. He could well have AK-AJ of clubs.

maybe wrong reasoning, here goes:

PF: 7-1 with great relative position, close call for me since this hand is pretty mediocre but can still make str8 and is not too dominated

Flop: I donk trying to protect my hand if villain obliges and raises

Turn: I bet again. Villains raise means to me he either has a monster (TT?) and was trapping a bit, or more likely he wants to protect an overpair/TPTK hand and waited for the turn.

If he has an overpair, he still has high equity with many outs, so i play passively as i would against a semibluff.

River: Board didnt pair, but the Ace kinda sux... can I get a c/r in? better to bet/call or check/call?

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LawDude

10-05-2009, 05:28 AM

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T6o is a trash hand. Relative position or no relative position, this hand is beyond speculative. You are looking for a miracle here.

Check-raise this flop unless villain's c-bet percentage is very low.

As played, 3-bet the turn. That raise means overpair much more often than it means set.

Since you should have 3-bet the turn, you should lead the river unless you were 4-bet. Then check-call it.

Chopper

10-05-2009, 01:09 PM

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T6o is very close getting 7:1...i'll give you that. but, i dont play "close hands" with the absolute worst position possible against a raised pot. cant make money here without your 2pr holding up or flopping that straight. this hand sucks.

i dont donk this flop, either. what the hell are you folding off? are you going to win this pot against 4 players? no. c/c and pray for your miracle.

ok, so you get it. you know you are likely best now, or at least have craploads of dead money in the pot. bloat it and hope you hold. this isnt the time to suddenly go passive because an overpair may counterfeit you on the river. (this thought shocks me out of you.)

river blows. but, i b/c it. i dont want this going to 3bets, so i wont be c/r'ing it.

this hand shocks me from you asd. you know how to play this hand better. 7:1 is a bit weak for T6o, not T6s. and, it IS close because i want 9:1+ for ATC. and, from there we takes our chances with the "long term" knowing we get paid enough to show minimal profit on our flopped specials. however, we don't take much past the flop when we hit some stupid TPNK on a flushy board.

LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.

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asdpikas

10-05-2009, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Chopper

this hand shocks me from you asd. you know how to play this hand better. 7:1 is a bit weak for T6o, not T6s. and, it IS close because i want 9:1+ for ATC. and, from there we takes our chances with the "long term" knowing we get paid enough to show minimal profit on our flopped specials. however, we don't take much past the flop when we hit some stupid TPNK on a flushy board.

Indeed, I've been a bit off my game lately

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BennyLaRue

10-05-2009, 02:10 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by LawDude

Check-raise this flop unless villain's c-bet percentage is very low

Agree that pre-flop is a clear fold. Check-raise is bad, however. It doesn't protect your hand as those who called a small bet will clearly call another. It only serves to bloat the pot and offer opps better odds to chase.

As OP played pre, Flop is fine. Betting is the only chance you have to protect a weak holding, as either your initial bet will drive out opps or it's a way of using the pre-flop aggressor to do the work for you. MP1 might pop overcards in addition to overpairs, potentially driving out the Button and SB and getting the pot where you want it with a weak holding: heads-up.

That didn't happen here, of course, but betting is the best way of protecting your hand.

So, flop is fine. Turn is fine but his turn line is just as likely to be overcards with him now trying to protect as it is an overpair. The question then is your image. If you've been showing down other hands like T6o and been aggro with them, him playing an overpair like this makes a lot of sense. It could be TT, sure, but that's only one of many possible holdings. I really don't think we're beat here.

If you put him on an overpair, I like a 3-bet turn and hope he caps. If you put him on overcards or just aren't sure, call turn with a plan to c/r most rivers. I think the A is a decent card for you...AK and Ax clubs now have a hand.

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