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Hermann the Lombard
Old 09-20-2007, 08:56 PM     Post subject: Strush Draw #1 (permalink)  
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Limit, .05/.10, 10-handed. SB & CO are typically loose and somewhat passive.
Hero has the button and
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls; 3 folds, MP3 calls, CO calls, Hero...

...calls (absolute bottom of what I would call with), SB calls, BB checks.
Flop (7 players, 7 SB)
SB bets, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls, Hero...

...has the OESFD and the exciting opportunity to draw a lousy flush or a straight that loses to a higher straight or flush. My only question is: call or raise?
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Old 09-20-2007, 09:06 PM     Post subject: Re: Strush Draw #2 (permalink)  
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Originally Posted by Hermann the Lombard
Limit, .05/.10, 10-handed. SB & CO are typically loose and somewhat passive.
Hero has the button and
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls; 3 folds, MP3 calls, CO calls, Hero...

...calls (absolute bottom of what I would call with), SB calls, BB checks.
Flop (7 players, 7 SB)
SB bets, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls, Hero...

...has the OESFD and the exciting opportunity to draw a lousy flush or a straight that loses to a higher straight or flush. My only question is: call or raise?
I might not be correct to do so, but I'm ramming and jamming here every time
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Old 09-20-2007, 09:35 PM #3 (permalink)  
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RAISE! you've got 15 outs to a straight or flush. Chance of a free card - i'm having an instant orgasm just thinking about it...
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Old 09-20-2007, 11:19 PM #4 (permalink)  
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RAISE! you've got 15 outs to a straight or flush. Chance of a free card - i'm having an instant orgasm just thinking about it...
My thinking exactly.... this is one of the very best pot equity situations you will ever find yourself in
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Old 09-24-2007, 07:41 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Id be shitting my pants, you've got a super strong draw. Keep jamming that flop hard. You couldn't have flopped anything better, except maybe 554.
1. Get a seat to their right
2. Steal blinds at will
3. ...
4. Profit
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Old 09-24-2007, 09:00 PM #6 (permalink)  
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I confess that I called. I won't do it again. I promise. Now go clean up the mess from all those bodily substances!

Turn:
SB bets, 4 folds, CO calls, Hero...

OK, OK, I guess I really don't have to ask. Here's an answer: "Get off your ass and raise, damn it!"

I didn't. Someone must have slipped pansy pills in my coffee cup.

River:
SB checks, CO checks, Hero bets, SB calls, CO folds, and SB shows <drum roll> :Ac:
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Old 09-24-2007, 09:40 PM #7 (permalink)  
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 Hitting a low pair on the turn against 2 guys doesn't help your equity much. Just call the turn.
Some days it feels like I've been standing forever, waiting for the bank teller to return so I can cash in all these Sklansky Bucks.
 
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Old 09-25-2007, 03:49 AM #8 (permalink)  
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hitting the low pair doesnt make his hand a monster, but does he not have 2 more out to three of a kind? on top of the 15 outs to a straight or a flush?

Im betting this turn, is this wrong?
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2. Steal blinds at will
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4. Profit
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Old 09-25-2007, 04:07 AM #9 (permalink)  
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hitting the low pair doesnt make his hand a monster, but does he not have 2 more out to three of a kind? on top of the 15 outs to a straight or a flush?

Im betting this turn, is this wrong?
SB lead the turn and CO called. With 15 outs (assuming all are clean) our equity on the turn is about 33% (breakeven 3way). But raising opens us up to a 3bet (say if someone has a set) and a raise won't fold either of them, so it doesn't work as a semi-bluff either.
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Old 09-25-2007, 01:23 PM #10 (permalink)  
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Turn:
SB bets, 4 folds, CO calls, Hero...

OK, OK, I guess I really don't have to ask. Here's an answer: "Get off your ass and raise, damn it!"
remember this?

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If you never jammed a draw on the turn, you're at worst making a trivial error.
If you haven't guessed, i agree with Korn on the turn. On this board, you're still behind most of the time - even with 17 clean outs you're barely a favorite multiway and getting threebet would suck.
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Old 09-25-2007, 03:42 PM #11 (permalink)  
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good to know, thanks
1. Get a seat to their right
2. Steal blinds at will
3. ...
4. Profit
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Old 09-25-2007, 06:50 PM #12 (permalink)  
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Thanks to all for the advice. The discussion is (as always) thought-provoking...even if I don't always know how to apply it to future hands.

So raise the flop but call the turn with tons of equity on the flop but barely enough on the turn.
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Old 09-26-2007, 12:50 PM #13 (permalink)  
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RAISE! you've got 15 outs to a straight or flush. Chance of a free card - i'm having an instant orgasm just thinking about it...
you i don't think the word call crossed my mind even once when reading the hand... until he asked the question...
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