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Old 09-10-2004, 03:03 PM     Post subject: Straight forward plays #1 (permalink)  
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There's nothing difficult about this hand, It just amazed me how straight forward you can play and still have people do dumb things..

Micro limit or not its pretty obvious what I've got here, yet they still call.
Looks like the only one on a flush draw was the button.. The rest 2'nd pair or worse.


PokerStars (9 handed, micro limit)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K, A.
UTG calls, Hero raises, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO folds, Button 3-bets, SB calls, BB folds, UTG folds, Hero caps, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, Button calls, SB calls.

Flop: (22 SB) T, A, 4 (5 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, Button calls, SB calls.

Turn: (13.50 BB) 3 (5 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, Button calls, SB calls.

River: (18.50 BB) 8 (5 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, Button folds, SB calls.

Final Pot: 22.50 BB

Results in white below:
SB has 6s 6c (one pair, sixes).
Hero has Ks As (one pair, aces).
MP2 has Qd Qs (one pair, queens).
MP3 has Ah 9c (one pair, aces).
Outcome: Hero wins 22.50 BB.
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Old 09-10-2004, 03:14 PM     Post subject: Micro limits are too easy :( #2 (permalink)  
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Another one..
UTG+2 is a nut case, I just pretend he doesn't raise.

PokerStars 0.05/0.10 Hold'em (10 handed)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 5, A. UTG posts a blind of $0.05.
UTG (poster) checks, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 raises, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO folds, Hero calls, SB folds, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (14.40 SB) 2, 8, J (7 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 bets, MP2 folds, MP3 calls, Hero calls, BB folds, UTG folds, UTG+1 folds.

Turn: (8.70 BB) T (3 players)
UTG+2 bets, MP3 folds, Hero raises, UTG+2 calls.

River: (12.70 BB) K (2 players)
UTG+2 bets, Hero raises, UTG+2 3-bets, Hero caps, UTG+2 calls.

Final Pot: 20.70 BB

Results in white below:
UTG+2 has 8s Kd (two pair, kings and eights).
Hero has 5h Ah (flush, ace high).
Outcome: Hero wins 20.70 BB.
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Old 09-10-2004, 03:22 PM #3 (permalink)  
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Of course lets not be biased here, how about I post one of ME being stupid!
Bad post flop play got me into trouble.

PokerStars 0.05/0.10 Hold'em (10 handed)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K, T.
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 folds, MP1 folds, Hero calls, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (5 SB) 8, 7, 6 (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 bets, Hero calls, Button calls, SB calls, BB folds.

Turn: (4.50 BB) K (4 players)
SB checks, UTG+1 bets, Hero raises, Button calls, SB folds, UTG+1 3-bets, Hero caps, Button calls, UTG+1 calls.

River: (16.50 BB) 3 (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, Button folds, UTG+1 calls.

Final Pot: 18.50 BB

Results in white below:
UTG+1 has Ad Ah (one pair, aces).
Hero has Kh Th (one pair, kings).
Outcome: UTG+1 wins 18.50 BB.
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Old 09-10-2004, 03:38 PM #4 (permalink)  
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Of course lets not be biased here, how about I post one of ME being stupid!
Horrible flop call got me into ALOT of trouble.

PokerStars 0.05/0.10 Hold'em (10 handed)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K, T.
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 folds, MP1 folds, Hero calls, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (5 SB) 8, 7, 6 (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 bets, Hero calls, Button calls, SB calls, BB folds.

Turn: (4.50 BB) K (4 players)
SB checks, UTG+1 bets, Hero raises, Button calls, SB folds, UTG+1 3-bets, Hero caps, Button calls, UTG+1 calls.

River: (16.50 BB) 3 (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, Button folds, UTG+1 calls.

Final Pot: 18.50 BB

Results in white below:
UTG+1 has Ad Ah (one pair, aces).
Hero has Kh Th (one pair, kings).
Outcome: UTG+1 wins 18.50 BB.
I like your call with 2 overs on the flop. I don't even mind that you raised the turn to get some information and see where you are in the hand. I don't like the cap on the turn after UTG+1 went over the top of you. Finally, I think the river is a check and call for you. Why he didn't check-raise you on the river is beyond me. It looked like he was setting you up for a check-raise after you capped the turn. Maybe he got nervous with the straight-draw on the board.

I wouldn't have put you on the straight because although you could have been slow-playing the straight on the flop, there is no reason for you to raise/cap on the turn if you indeed did have the straight. Looks very obvious to me that you were betting that K. Just my 2 cents.
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Old 09-10-2004, 03:48 PM #5 (permalink)  
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I like your call with 2 overs on the flop. I don't even mind that you raised the turn to get some information and see where you are in the hand. I don't like the cap on the turn after UTG+1 went over the top of you. Finally, I think the river is a check and call for you. Why he didn't check-raise you on the river is beyond me. It looked like he was setting you up for a check-raise after you capped the turn. Maybe he got nervous with the straight-draw on the board.

I wouldn't have put you on the straight because although you could have been slow-playing the straight on the flop, there is no reason for you to raise/cap on the turn if you indeed did have the straight. Looks very obvious to me that you were betting that K. Just my 2 cents.
I wasn't even sure about my call on the flop.
I Definatly agree capping the turn was a bad idea.

I believe I just sort of hit zombie Auto-raise mode there After staring at micro limits for 3 hours I had gotten to the point where TP was a re-raise for me. (bad mike4066, bad! )

Your play makes so much more sense than mine does
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Old 09-10-2004, 03:51 PM #6 (permalink)  
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After staring at micro limits for 3 hours I had gotten to the point where TP was a re-raise for me. (bad mike4066, bad! )
Isn't that what got you into trouble in FTR Showdown V!?
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Old 09-10-2004, 03:56 PM #7 (permalink)  
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After staring at micro limits for 3 hours I had gotten to the point where TP was a re-raise for me. (bad mike4066, bad! )
Isn't that what got you into trouble in FTR Showdown V!?
No, my raise was fine!!! A bad all-in call by 77 is what got me into trouble!
HAHA
Ok, i deserved that one
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Old 09-10-2004, 04:21 PM #8 (permalink)  
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After staring at micro limits for 3 hours I had gotten to the point where TP was a re-raise for me. (bad mike4066, bad! )
Isn't that what got you into trouble in FTR Showdown V!?
No, my raise was fine!!! A bad all-in call by 77 is what got me into trouble!
HAHA
Ok, i deserved that one
Ha! Just kiddin'!
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Old 09-10-2004, 07:21 PM #9 (permalink)  
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Hand 1 & 2: Standard. Well played.

Hand 3:

I think you have to find a flop fold here but it's close.

Per SSH:
3 - 2 *very* suspect overs
4 - single card gutshot
1.5 - Backdoor flush
8.5 outs

However, looking past these numbers, everything except the backdoor flush could very easily be tainted or a split pot. We're not talking AK or AQ for the overs either. So, you got to look at the opposion and the pot size. 5 players that could be on any hand saw the flop on a limp putting only 2.5 BB in it. Certainly raising is better than calling, if you continue, to possibly clean up outs. I would only continue here if the pot was raised pre-flop.

On the turn, once he 3-bets, you're in call down or fold territory. Capping is silly.
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Old 09-10-2004, 07:40 PM #10 (permalink)  
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I guess calling with the 2 overs wasn't a terrible call in the third hand.

Raising the turn iwth my K's wasn't terrible either, but I should have saved the bets by folding to the re-raise.

Thanks guys, gave me a different way to look at that one.


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Old 09-10-2004, 08:07 PM #11 (permalink)  
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Raising the turn with my K's wasn't terrible either, but I should have saved the bets by folding to the re-raise.
It's one of those times where you count the pot, evaluate the other player then go with your gut.
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Old 09-10-2004, 11:29 PM     Post subject: played same as hand number 3 #12 (permalink)  
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Well I played this hand the same as we sugguested after the discussion about hand #3..

Outcome makes me laugh, the "shown hand look familiar?" I'm Getting sick of limped AA..

4th time in 2 days its happend

PokerStars 0.05/0.10 Hold'em (10 handed)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J, K.
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, Hero calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (5 SB) T, 8, 5 (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls, SB calls, BB folds.

Turn: (4.50 BB) K (4 players)
SB checks, UTG bets, UTG+1 calls, Hero raises, SB folds, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls.

River: (10.50 BB) Q (3 players)
UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, UTG calls, UTG+1 folds.

Final Pot: 12.50 BB

Results in white below:
UTG has Ah Ad (one pair, aces).
Hero has Js Kc (one pair, kings).
Outcome: UTG wins 12.50 BB.
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Old 09-10-2004, 11:46 PM #13 (permalink)  
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Fold the flop. Your overs suck and 2 of them are diamonds. Chasing second best hands in big unraised multi-pots is a bad habbit. Everything else is fine.
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Old 09-10-2004, 11:54 PM #14 (permalink)  
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Thanks fnord I was planning on it until I thought about the hand re-playing itself from last night.

Just had this deja vu feeling and couldn't help myself

I Really laughed when he turned over the EXACT same two cards as before.

I'm just getting all of the dumb move out of me before I move to real limits.
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Old 09-11-2004, 06:38 AM #15 (permalink)  
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Hand 1 & 2: Standard. Well played.
1.5 - Backdoor flush
Is that statistically proven that a backdoor flush draw is like 1.5 outs? (And just to double-check since I'm not fully familiar with that term, backdoor flush means chance of running suited cards to complete flush correct?)

If so, the chances of catching running suiters is the same as 1.5 outs? Good to know if it is.

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Old 09-11-2004, 06:52 AM #16 (permalink)  
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Yes
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Old 09-11-2004, 12:07 PM #17 (permalink)  
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Hand 1 & 2: Standard. Well played.
1.5 - Backdoor flush
Is that statistically proven that a backdoor flush draw is like 1.5 outs? (And just to double-check since I'm not fully familiar with that term, backdoor flush means chance of running suited cards to complete flush correct?)

If so, the chances of catching running suiters is the same as 1.5 outs? Good to know if it is.
Thank you for pointing that out.

I was just wondering that last night
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