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Old 02-13-2008, 03:07 AM     Post subject: Steal attempt now MP on draw heavy board #1 (permalink)  
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Preflop: Hero is CO with K, T.
5 folds, Hero raises, 2 folds, BB calls.

Flop: (4.40 SB) T, 9, J (2 players)
BB bets, [color=#CC3333]Hero ....

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My thought process: Not a bad flop but one that definately has the possibility of hitting him hard because its so connected and FD opportunity. Raising is probably spew (opening to 3bet when already very thin for calling) but calling getting 4:1 with inside draw, bottom pair and one over is about right odds (5.7:1 for an inside and one over and 5 outs set/2pair but def discounted a but for obvious reasons)

So my first instincts are call, c/f UI on turn, and re-evaluate if a better/good card comes.

-orrrrrrrrrr, is this too passive after the flop?
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Old 02-13-2008, 04:01 PM #2 (permalink)  
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I think it's worth a peel, and no I don't think you're ahead (though I suppose hands like 88 or A9 are possible. The most painful turn would be the Q in which case I would reluctantly continue cautiously.
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Old 02-13-2008, 10:13 PM #3 (permalink)  
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Originally Posted by Hermann the Lombard
I think it's worth a peel, and no I don't think you're ahead (though I suppose hands like 88 or A9 are possible. The most painful turn would be the Q in which case I would reluctantly continue cautiously.
If any Q came on the turn I would raise, because he is most likely not chasing a flush draw. If he is then donking the flop was a mistake on his part, but he more likely has a J or T and is hoping you missed the flop. A Turn straight is a gift in a steal attempt - raise for value.
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Old 02-14-2008, 03:27 PM #4 (permalink)  
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Your in a blind battle and you have 2nd pair with a gutshot. We have no read on the opponent so he could be donking the flop with so many hands that we are beating. I would raise this flop.

Calling the flop and then folding the turn UI would be pretty weak play.
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Old 02-14-2008, 05:47 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Your in a blind battle and you have 2nd pair with a gutshot. We have no read on the opponent so he could be donking the flop with so many hands that we are beating. I would raise this flop.

Calling the flop and then folding the turn UI would be pretty weak play.
This is kind of what i was thinking, because of the heads up blind battle nature of the situation does it change the way i should play. His donking range is pretty wide, and if I slow down and only call I think its pretty much garunteed that he will bet any card on the turn. BUT taking it to the next level, being in his shoes would he not see a preflop raiser hitting this flop pretty hard? therefore requiring a better hand to donk the flop?
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2. Steal blinds at will
3. ...
4. Profit
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