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06-15-2006, 07:04 AM
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4-of-a-Kind
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Been on a recent break-even stretch (I think 8 months is officially a "stretch", right?) so well, here is my last 10k hands (all of this month so far). Anyone see something stupid that I am doing wrong? My UTG seems... off...
Thanks... got bills to pay, and all 
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midas06
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rakeback pro?
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euphoricism
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Aye.
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JohnnyDaly
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You're going to showdown a tad too often, you need to be more aggressive on the flop/turn, and you need to check-raise the auto flop-bettors more often (get it pushing 2)
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euphoricism
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Originally Posted by JohnnyDaly
you need to check-raise the auto flop-bettors more often (get it pushing 2)
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I'm not very good at PT -- what area are you looking at for this stat? Also, I hate the 'checkraise every flop' people. Its so transparent.
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Fnord
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What stakes?
The rake in these games is fucking retarded.
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I think you could stand to fold the flop a touch more.
This may help your WtSD stats. These are very high.
You seem to be winning a good % when you do call down, so I think it's just a matter of picking your spots a little better.
I think you should defend your BB more. It's obvious from your UTG stats that you are playing 5 and 4 handed more often than a full table.
People's raising standards are going to open up and so should your defence.
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euphoricism
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Fnord: 5/10. I've paid $2050 in rake. I do get approx 1/4th of it back, though.
6high: Hmm. That WOULD make sense about the UTG thing. I couldn't fathom why I had so many less hands UTG. Its because my tables are getting 4-5way. Nh.
39% wtsd is considered high? Shit, I usually run higher than that -- but I think its artificially inflated. I seem to check through turns and auto call rivers a lot...
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euphoricism
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Fnord: I just did that math... I'm losing 2bb/100 to rake. While I've been a winner with this rake before, it surely does seem like a massively uphill battle.
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Ltrain
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Your VPIP is fairly low, especially when the table falls below 5 players, which of course happens often in the 6 max games. Look for more opportunities to play hands and vary your play, not much, but sometimes. You are probably playing "textbook" plays, which is fine, but a good handreader who knows your "textbook" will telegraph your plays. I agree your WTSD is too high. I think ideally this should be between 33-34%. Defend your blinds more, (even if you think you are behind you will have equity in most cases to call), your Folded BB to Steal and to Steal HU should be about 55%. Depending upon the stakes, SB folded to Steal is also a bit high. Steal more, you should be at least 35%. Your fold to river bet seems high to me, I think this should be around 50%. Are you continuation betting the flop enough? If you are c-betting more your flop AF should be around 3.
Others may have different opinions about the above numbers and of course the numbers only tell part of the story (especially with a 10K range), but I think they are optimum ranges for 6 max.
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pokerfanatic
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by JohnnyDaly
You're going to showdown a tad too often, you need to be more aggressive on the flop/turn, and you need to check-raise the auto flop-bettors more often (get it pushing 2)
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he plays 5/10 it's not that bad
again this goes back to my post in the high stakes topic, 5/10 it happens a little bit stars to anyways, people run a lot of fancy lines at you... 10/20 is especially bad about this...
also W2SD can be curved up by things such as betting turn checking behind the river, checking the turn calling any bet on the river, checking turn and river though multi way, many different things can bump your W2SD from 35ish to 40ish...
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Nehmer
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I'd be interested in seeing your time of day and opponent SF% stats. There is nothing wrong enough with your stats to explain an 8 month break even stretch which means it is probably your opponents that are the problem. If you have been playing in the mornings or early afternoons, that could explain it a lot as I have found the 5/10 games both 6-max and FR to be ridiculously tough compared to lower levels and even 5/10 at night. It could also be that you are picking tables that are more suited to somebody elses play style instead of your own. I for example seem to be able to handle a calling station being on my left much better than having a Tag that is capable of lightly 3-betting me on my left(which kinda goes against most of the advice you'll hear).
I'd say if the stats say you should probably be winning and you aren't, it might be time to start looking at other reasons you might not be winning.
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euphoricism
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I generally start playing 5/10 approximately 9PM eastern. Are there any PT stats I can screenshot for you that you'd like to see? Again, I'm not particularly good at PT.
Your comment about picking tables suited more to my style is an intriguing one.. I'm generally playing with super-fish on my right. 50/20's or worse (better?) on my right, and not on my left. Thats prety much my only requirement.
Maybe I'd do better with more calling stations and less laggy players... Hmm..
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Xanadu
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I kinda think a 50/20 may be better on the left compared with say a 50/10 or 50/5 which is definitely better on the right. Somebody correct me if my reasoning is lousy here.
The 50/20 will raise you out of a lot of hands you would like to play. You will only be able to 3-bet the top 10% of hands, and will usually have to fold the rest when this guy raises. I hate having an aggro preflop player on my right for this very reason ... I have to fold too many hands I want to play for a raise myself, and at a short table, this sux much more than FR.
With him on the left, he will often 3-bet my raises. Many 50/20s will 3-bet with the same range they will raise with, some actually have a looser 3-bet range than raising range. This, of course, is a huge advantage. If I know he is 3-betting 20%, now I can cap top 10% for a huge equity edge against this player, while not being behind on average when I am 3-bet. This guy 3-betting is also great because it increases the opportunities for other players to make mistakes at the table. The guy who limps Ax UTG can now make a crappy call for 2 more bets. SB and BB can either fold and give the rest of us their blinds, or make a bad call OOP. If this guy is also postflop aggro, even better on the left. Now, I can let him lead and raise my good hands, and with marginal hands I want to protect, lead out and let him raise to thin the field.
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I like the way you're thinking.
The idea with the 50/20s and 60/30s is that you should threebet any hand worth playing. I'm beginning to question whether its worth playing them at all -- just seems to increase my variance.
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BIG BLIND PLAY. Guess how much you're losing? Oh, I guess you could figure it out but I'd much rather show you.
.04*1852 = 74.08 BB /95 = .78 BB/100 you are spewing from your Big blind. How to fix that? Get the odds straightened out, defend more/better, and you'll be fine.
OUTSIDE of that, you need to defeniately play more hands at 5/10 than you could at 3/6. More marginal stuff, better table selection allowing you to 3/bet the 60/30s with all kinds of crap and you'd kill the game. The 5/10 game is much different than the 3/6 game, make the adjustment or you'll just feed the rake.
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If youre running -.14 from your BB you're a god. Gnomes put 'ideal' at .16 to .17
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-.15 is definately attainable, and you dont have to be a god. I would only settle for -.16 but you still are spewing from the BB.
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