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Old 08-05-2005, 03:56 AM     Post subject: Stats Keep Slipping - 4k hand checkup #1 (permalink)  
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Since purchasing PT here are my first 4000 hands...

.5/1 - Party Poker 4004 hands

VP$IP = 14.59
W$WSP = 29.61%
BB/100 = 1.23 (miserable)
WSD = 27.31
W$SD = 56.89%
PFR = 7.04%

Agression overall = 2.8

5 most profitable hands
AA, KQo, AQo, 88, KK

5 least profitable hands
QJs, 77, A6s, QQ, KTo

I'm bleeding money from the #6 position- everything else is in the green (well, not blinds of course)

7 Cold calls.... total

Anything else I should be looking into? Filter? All these stats seem just low of optimal and like I said they've just continued to slip every 1000 hands or so.

I'm guessing the general advice would be to keep plugging and come back when I get 10k or more, but is there anything specific I should be looking for or should really analyze with the filters(realize I need to get a little more action overall)?
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Old 08-05-2005, 04:03 AM #2 (permalink)  
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ummm, you only have 4K hands.
I am losing from 3 seats off the button over the last 6K hands.
That being said, read SSH, play more hands, then come back.
SSH should fix your WtSD, PFR and VP$IP numbers.
You are a little tight/weak, which at .5/1 is better than nothin'
With a VP$IP that low(which is fine) your WtSD should be a little higher (just above 30 I would think) You are probably throwing away too many winners.
When your WtSD% goes up, your W$SD will come down, but your BB/100 should increase a bit.
I wouldn't worry, though. You are winning. That is better than most of your opponents can say.
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Old 08-05-2005, 04:09 AM #3 (permalink)  
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Figured that's what you'd say , well I take that as no glaring errors on my part. SSH is in the mail, so hopefully we'll see some improvement at 10k.
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Old 08-05-2005, 05:36 AM #4 (permalink)  
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Play more hands, raise more pre-flop, fold less and play well post-flop.
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Old 08-07-2005, 01:37 AM #5 (permalink)  
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too much cold-calling.

Stop the bleeding before it starts by throwing these hands away. If you must play them, raise them.

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Old 08-07-2005, 02:28 AM #6 (permalink)  
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too much cold-calling.

Stop the bleeding before it starts by throwing these hands away. If you must play them, raise them.
no offense, but cold calling once per 571 hands hardly seems responsible for the majority of my loses.

I've continued to slide farther and I honestly feel the problem is:

1. Continual streak of suck-outs/ i.e. variance

2. Not letting go of hands where I'm most likely beat...

I'm hemoraging dollars and cents calling down top pair to reraises when the board pairs, flushes are likely or someone probably has a higher pocket pair. honestly, It feels more like I have to start folding when I'm most likely beat.

I have a feeling Sklansky is going to tell me I'm wrong.... hopefully he'll save the day.

Thanks all. Gonna start over once I read SSH and I'll post 5k from there.
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Old 08-07-2005, 02:58 AM #7 (permalink)  
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I cold call about once every 800 hands for a .32BB/hand profit- I wouldn't say cold calling is a big leak for you, but I would definitely look those hands over and make sure cold calling was appropriate. I looked mine over just now, and some of them were bad...

I think you just have to give it more time. All your stats appear reasonable, and you can't expect your winrate to be anything like your true winrate over just 4k hands. Over my last ~4k I'm running at .12BB/100.
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I never said cold-calling is responsible for the majority of your losses, but it probably is contributing to some.

You asked about leaks and why you were losing, and the cold-calling jumps off the page as a likely reason to a portion of it.

My advice still stands. If you want to call two cold, you are probably better off 3-betting it.

That's my .02, but it's not worth much. After all, it is only .02

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 7 cold calls jumps off the page? that's $3.50 in 4004 hands
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gatlin Dan
too much cold-calling.

Stop the bleeding before it starts by throwing these hands away. If you must play them, raise them.
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7 cold calls jumps off the page? that's $3.50 in 4004 hands
I agree, this has gotten silly.

Lots of players cold call in spots where they should raise or fold and are doing it several times per 100 hands. Once you understand this, it stops becoming a leak. There are lots of spots you should cold call in fishy games. The money is made post-flop and it's harder to get there to take it if you're folding or building out-of-control pots with marginal pre-flop holdings given the action.

As an aside, one of the most profitable 8 tabling 2/4 players I've chatted with argued that we aren't cold calling enough!

I used to look for reasons to fold hands pre-flop. After learning when to get the fuck out of Dodge, I learned to look for reasons to play more hands with position against horrible players. Every now and then I probably go too far, but I've made more money and become a better player in the process.
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Old 08-11-2005, 11:07 PM #11 (permalink)  
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Yeah, I said the same thing in a conversation with I think Jeff the other night. But "never cold call" is a good rule of thumb until you're consciouly making the decision to do so for good reasons.
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