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KoRnholio

07-13-2005, 02:17 AM Post subject: Stat help at 2/4

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I really enjoy this forum as it has some intelligent people and few flamers (in stark contrast to the fullcontactpoker forum for instance).

I've been playing online off and on for about 9 months, recently (about 4 months ago) started to get serious and blew through most of the PSO promos/bonuses. First thing I got was PokerTracker and I've been tracking my stats for many hands.

Started at .5/1 and worked my way up to 2/4 (and some 3/6 as well), at .5/1 I was a calling station, at 1/2 a Semi-Loose Aggressive/Passive, now I'm a SLAA (yellow happy face) and feel pretty comfortable playing Limit Holdem.

So here are my stats for my first 10k hands at 2/4 (across 9 different sites, though overall about 7.5k of them are from Pokerstars/Pokerroom where I do slightly better than the rest).

(Don't mind those 2 hands in "8th position", it wasn't 11-handed, just a couple Pokerroom hands beind stupid and I haven't gotten around to purging them yet)

I am pretty pleased with my playing style (semi-loose aggressive) with lots of check-raises. My folded to river bet is a little high IMO, but that has been going down in the last few thousand hands I've played (in my 1500 3/6 hands stats it is below 40%).

These are my biggest problem hands:

AQo 82 times -.009 bb/hand (In Blind 18, CCPF 4, VP$IP 98.8)
AJs 30 times -0.08bb/hand (In Blind 3, CCPF 2, VP$IP 97)
KQo 100 times -0.38bb/hand (In blind 22, CCPF 9, VP$IP 90)
QJo 93 times -0.12 bb/hand (In blind 34, CCPF 1, VP$IP 76)
QTo 107 times -0.23bb/hand (In blind 23, CCPF 1, VP$IP 33.6)

JJ 50 times -0.25bb/hand (In blind 11, CCPF 1, VP$IP 98)

I do alright with my other pairs (only other losers are 22, 88 and 99, none of which lose much at all). I realize I am probably playing some of these hands too often, but is there any way to see if I am just going too far/being too aggressive with them? I do much better with KJ (offsuit: +.41bb/hand, suited: +1.57bb/hand) as I will let them go much quicker to pressure.

Also, my AKo (+0.37bb/hand) and AKs (+0.70bb/hand) aren't doing as well as I think they should be.

Thanks for taking the time to read this. Any thoughts or criticism would be much appreciated

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TylerK

07-13-2005, 02:28 AM

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Your sample size is too small to meaningfully analyze specific hands.

Conventional wisdom would say that your VP$IP is a little high and your PFR is a little low.

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07-13-2005, 03:22 AM

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take a stab at 3/6

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07-13-2005, 03:34 AM

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take a stab at 3/6

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07-13-2005, 03:53 AM

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Things I’m seeing are PFR too low, VP$IP can come down some to around 18%, It also seems like you are calling a lot out of the BB to a PFR... not sure if there is a leak there or not, AF seems low to me but I’m super aggressive post flop I sit on around 3, you play too passively on the flop, you really need to figure out where your opponents are here it's cheaper and probably easier to group them into hands they would call/ bet/ raise/ fold... I think my flop AF is around 4 my turn is around 3 but my river AF sucks it's around 2, I don't fuck around on the river to much... I figure I can read my opponents will enough to know where I stand on the river and what cards they could beat me if I think I won the hand I’ll be but if I’m not positive I play it probably too passively and check, in a lot of cases I want to see the showdown for 1 bet not 2... This works for me but I think you river play is probably bettor then mine, hell a lot of times because my flop aggression, I don't even see a river... I think I need to work on my river aggression and tone down my flop aggression slightly, at UB it’s a bunch of weak tight player where I slam them on the flop with w/e and they fold or fold the turn most the time so I think that has shoot my flop AF up and brought my river AF down… at party poker I think AF on the flop around 3 and turn around 3 is more ideal and river around 2 to 3… just a thought I’d like to hear other opinions on AF…

Even with your stats I think you could probably take a shot at 3/6 and see what happens...

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KoRnholio

07-13-2005, 04:07 AM

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Thanks for all the input. I've been mixing in a table of 3/6 now and again the past month or so and seem to be doing about the same as at 2/4

I think my flop aggression is a little low since I generally check if someone else took the lead PF (also since I dont raise enough preflop), no matter if I hit the board or not. Then I slam them on the turn with a reraise or check-reraise if I think my hand is still best or I hit my draw.

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07-13-2005, 05:14 AM

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i like figuring out where i'm at on cheaper betting rounds...

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07-13-2005, 08:10 AM

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Even with your stats I think you could probably take a shot at 3/6 and see what happens...

Gah! the guy is making 4BBs/100 at 2/4! If you're rolled for it, go for it. My BB/100 is definitely better at 2/4, (small sample size) but I am sure a number of the players who are telling you to change your game are not doing as well as you are.
I do think you are losing money with your offsuit big cards though. start laying down KQo to a raise, and start reraising AQ. (without reads... the correct play obviously differs with opponents) In fact, for the next 10K hands try something:
NEVER cold call pre flop. Sometimes it is correct, chances are it isn't. Start folding your smaller pairs to raises. Despite the opinions of some your implied odds do not make up enough to change this from a marginal play.
Quit open limping. If you don't have a hand good enough to raise first in from your position, fold.

But you seem to have a handle on what is poker as opposed to just saying "tighten up pre-flop and raise more" I am tryimg to be a bit more specific. Look for places to save some money preflop with hands that don't stand up well multiway or to a raise like KJ0 and other offsuit broadway cards.
Look for places to extract more money preflop when you have an edge or against players who will go too far with their hands.

I just wrote way more than I had meant to.

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07-13-2005, 08:10 AM

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Do a filter on your PT for 'Cold calls'.

Getting rid of that leak is probably one of the few things keeping you back.

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07-13-2005, 08:11 AM

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He's only got 10k hands. It's as easy to run at 5BB/100 as it is to break even for that small a sample.

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07-13-2005, 08:59 AM

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Tyler has a point there.

Won $ WSF: 36

Went to SD: 33,5

You might be running good, so your true winrate may or maynot drop down a notch.

But still If you feel comfortable in your game you should deffinately give 3/6 a shot.

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07-13-2005, 02:42 PM

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He limp/re-raises quite a bit too. Review those hands and the cold-calls.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
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07-13-2005, 10:47 PM

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Do a filter on your PT for 'Cold calls'.

Getting rid of that leak is probably one of the few things keeping you back.

I took a look at those hands and it wasn't as bad as I expected, but I will start letting hands like AJo, KQo and JTs go much more often.

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Originally Posted by StinkyBeaver

Tyler has a point there.
Won $ WSF: 36

Went to SD: 33,5

You might be running good, so your true winrate may or maynot drop down a notch.

From what I can tell, I have been running pretty decent. My win % with AA is a whopping 96% in 50 times, but on the flipside my Kings are only at 72% (below even QQ at 75%).

pquote="Fnord"]He limp/re-raises quite a bit too. Review those hands and the cold-calls.[/quote]

When you say limp/re-raise, do you mean preflop or my check-raises? Preflop I only have 4 limp/re-raises, but I do check-reraise quite often. Against all the loose aggressive players out there it's by far my favorite tool.

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07-13-2005, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by KoRnholio

Preflop I only have 4 limp/re-raises

Among all of the LHE hands I've ever played I've limp/re-raised not much more than that.

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