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davekp2003

07-14-2005, 06:00 PM Post subject: Starting Hands for low limit play

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Is this a good sheet regarding starting hands for low limit play? I copied it from an article i printed off where they simulated many hand:
Group #1
1 AA
2 KK
3 QQ
4 JJ
5 AKs
Group #2
6 TT
7 AQs
8 AJs
9 AK
10 KQs
Group #3
11 ATs
12 KJs
13 AQ
14 99
15 QJs
16 KTs
Group #4
17 88
18 QTs
19 A9s
20 AJ
21 JTs
22 KQ
23 A8s
24 AT
Group #5
25 K9s
26 A7s
27 KJ
28 A5s
29 Q9s
30 T9s
31 77
32 J9s
33 A6s
34 QJ
35 A4s
36 KT
37 QT
38 A3s
39 K8s
40 JT
41 A2s
42 Q8s
Group #6
43 T8s
44 K7s
45 98s
46 66
47 J8s
48 A9
49 K6s
50 K5s
51 A8
Group #7
52 87s
53 97s
54 K4s
55 Q7s
56 T7s
57 K9
58 J7s
59 T9
60 55
61 Q6s
62 Q9
63 K3s
64 J9
65 A7
66 Q5s
67 A5
68 K2s
Group #8
69 Q4s
70 A6
71 T6s
72 J6s
73 A4
74 J5s
75 K8
76 Q3s
77 44
78 T8
79 A3
80 J8
81 Q8
82 K7
83 A2
84 K6
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jmontis

07-14-2005, 06:35 PM

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remembering what to play is pretty easy, don't call raises with hands like AJo, KT,

you pretty much want to either re-raise TT-AA and AK or fold in these pots

hands like 22-99, 67s, you want a family pot, try not to cold call a double raise with these hands

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07-14-2005, 07:07 PM

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Here are a few things I keep in mind. If you have many players to a flop, you want to play suited connectors or Axs because your drawing value goes up because you'll be paid off if you hit. If you have fewer players to the flop, bigger hands and big pairs are what you want

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07-14-2005, 07:15 PM

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Read SSH.

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davekp2003

07-14-2005, 07:23 PM

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Thanks for the help, but does that look like a proper ranking of the starting hands?

Dave

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07-14-2005, 07:34 PM

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check out this link:
http://www.flopturnriver.com/chart_starting_hands.html

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07-14-2005, 11:46 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by elipsesjeff

Read SSH.

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Lets stop talking ABC poker and move on to D, E, and F.

davekp2003

07-14-2005, 11:50 PM

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Thanks threeeggs, I saw that list before but i believe it's more for nolimit hold 'em. I probably started off with the wrong books I've read Harrington on Hold'em tournament play, cause I started off in a lot of sitngos. Then read Skalnsky's Hold'em for Advanced players.

I guess what I'm asking is does this look accurate?

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07-15-2005, 12:13 AM

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Hand values change with the situation.

Some hands are good heads up vs an above average hand but become toilet paper multi-way (A8o)

Some hands play well multi-way, but are poor heads-up (87s)

Some hands hold value against a strong hand (44), others become trash (AJo)

Thinking in terms of hand groups is just one or two steps up from playing hands because they look good.

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07-15-2005, 10:09 AM

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Thanks for your help. Is there anywhere that does rank the starting hands properly? Also does the ranking of starting hands differ from limit to no-limit play?

I agree with the authors who wrote the document I took this from, I believe 33's and 22's have little or no value. However I was playing a sitngo and a person went all in with 22's I was on the button it cost me about a quarter of my stack I called with AQo, and you know what happens next the 22's held up.

I also read you should never raise with TT's is this true?

Thanks for all of your help you guys are great!

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07-15-2005, 04:21 PM

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Thanks for your help. Is there anywhere that does rank the starting hands properly? Also does the ranking of starting hands differ from limit to no-limit play?

Thinking like this doesn't get the money in any game where most of the players are trying.

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I agree with the authors who wrote the document I took this from, I believe 33's and 22's have little or no value.

LMAO

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However I was playing a sitngo and a person went all in with 22's I was on the button it cost me about a quarter of my stack I called with AQo, and you know what happens next the 22's held up.

Tourney poker is very different from cash poker. Also, he had the best of it pre-flop...

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I also read you should never raise with TT's is this true?

I'm so glad people write such horrible advice.

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07-16-2005, 10:45 AM

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Uh did you just trash me? And if so why? I'm just trying to learn.

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07-16-2005, 02:02 PM

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Read SSH.

That's Small Stakes Hold'em by Miller/Sklansky/Malmuth. There is a chart in this book that tells you which hands to play in each position- it sounds like that's what you're looking for.

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Uh did you just trash me?

He may have been a little harsh, but you have picked up some really bad advice somewhere. Again, read SSH, reread SSH, sleep with SSH under your pillow, etc.

davekp2003

07-16-2005, 08:16 PM

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Thanks,

Dave

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07-17-2005, 08:58 PM

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