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LawDude
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12-22-2009, 07:05 AM
Post subject: the staredown hand
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Full House
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Staredowns are fairly common in live no limit-- people do it because they have genuinely tough decisions and also because of the influence of television.
However, they are VERY uncommon at live LIMIT-- and yet this hand occasioned the longest staredown that I have ever been a party to-- over 5 minutes before the guy made his decision.
I'll come back and tell the story of the staredown, but for now, I will stop the hand at the decision point.
20/40 FLHE at the Bike (the Bicycle Casino in Bell Gardens, CA). I've been meaning to play in this game for a long time, and finally went out to the Bike to play it. The villain is the only fish at the table (other than this guy, this was a pretty strong game with reasonable players and a couple of people who could probably play limit at any level), but he's an unusual fish. He changes gears. He spends some time spewing chips with over-aggression, and then gets very passive and spews some chips that way too. He's one of these guys who tries really hard to make moves but never really makes convincing ones, bluffing at the wrong times, calling down when he has little chance of having the best hand, etc.
Hero is in the CO with KhKc. Villain is in MP and opens with a raise. Hero 3-bets, folds around to the villain who calls.
Flop is K93 with 2 diamonds. Villain checks. Hero bets. Villain raises. Hero calls. [Here I was slowplaying a fish.]
Turn is the 2 of spades. Villain bets. Hero raises. Villain calls.
River is the ace of diamonds. Villain donks. Hero.....?
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Muzzard
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4-of-a-Kind
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d0nkeylipz
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Two Pair
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A lot cooler (less annoying) the first four times you posted this, bro.
Ghhhhheeeeeeyyyyyy. 
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Muzzard
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Chopper
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Straight Flush
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CAP IT! don't slow down until he fires the 5th or 6th bet.
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LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.
Nothing beats flopping quads while dropping a duece!
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LawDude
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Well, I insta-raised for the reasons Chopper set out. And then came the staredown. I just sat there, looking at the community cards, for several minutes while the guy looked for some sort of read on me.
At the end of the staredown, he folded. Apparently he was bluffing the scare card.
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Vegastripreport
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01-18-2010, 04:00 AM
Post subject: My two cents
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Glad you won the pot. But …
What does raising achieve? If villain has the flush, he’s obv going to re-raise, but with the pot as big as it is, you have to call anyway. If he doesn’t have the flush, you raise and he folds.
I suppose it is possible he’ll lead out with Ace/good kicker, especially if he has two pair, then call your raise. But that seems a less likely scenario than you ending up costing yourself another bet with an unnecessary raise that won’t be called by anything other than a winning hand.
This concludes my latest justification for being a calling station.
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vegastripreport.com
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LawDude
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01-20-2010, 09:11 PM
Post subject: Re: My two cents
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Full House
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Vegastripreport
Glad you won the pot. But …
What does raising achieve? If villain has the flush, he’s obv going to re-raise, but with the pot as big as it is, you have to call anyway. If he doesn’t have the flush, you raise and he folds.
I suppose it is possible he’ll lead out with Ace/good kicker, especially if he has two pair, then call your raise. But that seems a less likely scenario than you ending up costing yourself another bet with an unnecessary raise that won’t be called by anything other than a winning hand.
This concludes my latest justification for being a calling station.
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The key to answering this question is to figure out whether there's a significant number of hands that you beat that he will call with. I think there is. Ace-King is one. Other strong aces, perhaps? Other 2 pair (though not so likely on this board). Certainly any lower set.
Now, what portion of his range does that comprise? Well, it's possible he has a flush. But note, the ace of diamonds is on the board, so this reduces the range of likely flushes significantly. Pocket aces are also a (small) possibility.
So he's got a significant range of hands that we beat and a somewhat smaller range of hands that we don't beat. To me, that means raise.
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