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Old 05-25-2008, 08:18 PM     Post subject: Standard PLO8 hand questions #1 (permalink)  
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I've been lurking at FTR for a while now, and after being inspired by some of Salsa's posts, I decided to try my hand at Omaha, starting with PLO8. Unlike Hold'Em, where there is an endless amount of literature, there isn't a lot of documentation on Omaha, even for handling standard situations. So I'm going to start posting some hands to make sure that I'm heading in the right direction.

As a little background on myself, I've played NL up to .50-$1.00 recreationally for the past two years. What I know from Omaha I've basically read from here.

Comments on any/all street appreciated.

Hand 1

PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha/8, $0.25 BB (9 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool

No PokerTracker, but table is generally loose bad.

BB ($14.65)
Hero ($34.30)
UTG+1 ($24)
MP1 ($14.20)
MP2 ($19.75)
MP3 ($7.65)
CO ($5.20)
Button ($9.30)
SB ($14.40)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Ad, 2s, As, 8d.
Hero raises to $0.75, 1 fold, MP1 calls $0.75, MP2 calls $0.75, 5 folds.

Flop: ($2.60) Qd, 6c, Ac (3 players)
Hero bets $1.75, MP1 folds, MP2 calls $1.75.

Turn: ($6.10) 8s (2 players)
Hero bets $4, MP2 calls $4.

River: ($14.10) Th (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $6, Hero calls $6.

This is where I'm lost. I'd imagine my hand is pretty transparent at this point. Is the river a value bet? If we check and he pushes, should this be an easy fold?

Final Pot: $26.10

Results below:

Hero has Ad 2s As 8d (High: three of a kind, aces).
MP2 has Td Js 8c Tc (High: three of a kind, tens).
Outcome: Hero wins $26.10.


Hand 2

PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha/8, $0.25 BB (9 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool

MP1 ($4.90)
MP2 ($17.05)
MP3 ($10)
CO ($24.25)
Hero ($24.65)
SB ($56.10)
BB ($4.70)
UTG ($7.90)
UTG+1 ($24.65)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 3h, As, 8s, Ac. MP3 posts a blind of $0.25.
2 folds, MP1 calls $0.25, 1 fold, MP3 (poster) checks, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1, SB calls $0.90, BB calls $0.75, MP1 calls $0.75, MP3 calls $0.75.

Flop: ($5) Ad, 5d, 6d (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP1 bets $0.25, MP3 calls $0.25, Hero calls $0.25, SB folds, BB folds.

So again top set, but not liking this board. No idea what the min-bet means. Looking back, it's possible I have the best high and they are both going low. Should the plan be to raise, and then fold to any resistance if I don't boat up?

Turn: ($5.75) Jd (3 players)
MP1 checks, MP3 checks, Hero bets $2, MP1 raises to $3.65, MP3 folds, Hero calls $1.65.

No one seems interested in the pot, so I throw out a small bet, hoping they are both going low and I can make money on the high. Bad decision?

River: ($13.05) 3c (2 players)

Final Pot: $13.05

Results below:
MP1 has 3d 4c 7d 8h (Low: 6, 5, 4, 3, A | High: flush, ace high).
Hero has 3h As 8s Ac (Low: 8, 6, 5, 3, A | High: three of a kind, aces).
Outcome: MP1 wins $13.05.

Hand 3

No table reads. I feel that I played this hand much too weak

PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha/8, $0.25 BB (8 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool

SB ($13.30)
Hero ($25)
UTG ($22.80)
UTG+1 ($14.50)
MP1 ($16.40)
MP2 ($9)
CO ($10.75)
Button ($14.25)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Js, As, 4h, 8c.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.25, MP1 calls $0.25, 3 folds, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: ($1) 2s, 5d, 9d (4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks.

Not much interest unless a non-diamond 3 comes right?

Turn: ($1) 3h (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.5, UTG+1 calls $0.50, MP1 calls $0.50, SB calls $0.50.

Yahtzee! Betting seems to be in order, but I thought I'd keep it small to keep in worse hands rather than free-rolling another A3 with a diamond draw. Too weak?

River: ($3) 5c (4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $1.5, MP1 folds, SB calls $1.50, Hero calls $1.50.

What's our plan now that the board paired? Check-call one bet, fold to two?

Final Pot: $7.50
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Old 05-27-2008, 11:08 AM #2 (permalink)  
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 Hand1: Dont ever assume your hand is transparent at the lower buy ins, people play agressively with less then set. Regarding the specific hand - preflop and flop is good, turn is a bit more tricky since you have to figure out if villian is going high or low, if he is going low then he may be freerolling you, however I dont think betting is bad in a vaccum, check calling the river is also fine

Hand2: In a 3 way pot with a made low and a flush your hand is not strong and you need to improve, while calling the flop minbet is a must, I would not bet the turn even when checked to me, too often a made none nut flush with some sort of a low will not bet but will call, you are risking X to win 1/2X if you are correct, and possibly lose it all, check behind and see the river

Hand3, preflop and flop are fine, betting the turn is also good. On the river you have the nut low which may be quartered, so oyu have 1/4 to 1/2 the pot, I may be tempted to check the river and raise it when it gets back to me with a bet and a call, I am expecting to win 1/2 the pot here


 
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Old 05-27-2008, 02:22 PM #3 (permalink)  
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I'm honoured that I was able to inspire you

I'll comment on your hands in a couple of days because I'm very busy right now.
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Old 05-27-2008, 05:00 PM #4 (permalink)  
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Hand3, preflop and flop are fine, betting the turn is also good. On the river you have the nut low which may be quartered, so oyu have 1/4 to 1/2 the pot, I may be tempted to check the river and raise it when it gets back to me with a bet and a call, I am expecting to win 1/2 the pot here
I found this very interesting. I've generally been pretty passive on the river with nut lows for fear of being quartered. Are we thinking of check-raising because we think A4 is a less likely holding for either opponent given the lack of action on the turn?
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Old 05-28-2008, 01:42 AM #5 (permalink)  
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the third hand is terrible! what the hell are you afraid of on the river? 3 way actionm jam it in the worse case you lose like 25%

turn bet there is OK it depends on your table image. I'd be betting about 0.8 there but I generally have that kind of bet sizing. Realisticaly if they're calling 0.5 with some low draw or flush draw at this stake they're calling 0.8

The check raise line is OK, certainly not bad. I prefer to just bet it out $2 or so. You would have a bigger pot if you'd be more on the turn.
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Hand3, preflop and flop are fine, betting the turn is also good. On the river you have the nut low which may be quartered, so oyu have 1/4 to 1/2 the pot, I may be tempted to check the river and raise it when it gets back to me with a bet and a call, I am expecting to win 1/2 the pot here
I found this very interesting. I've generally been pretty passive on the river with nut lows for fear of being quartered. Are we thinking of check-raising because we think A4 is a less likely holding for either opponent given the lack of action on the turn?
Considering the lack of action on the turn I doubt any of them has A4
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