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mcatdog
Old 11-06-2006, 11:46 PM     Post subject: A standard PL Omaha hand? #1 (permalink)  
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I'm trying to learn this game. As far as I can tell, everything about the way I played this hand is standard, but I'm just checking to make sure.

PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha High, $0.50 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

UTG+1 ($80.85)
Hero ($62.80)
MP2 ($36.95)
MP3 ($50.70)
CO ($104.15)
Button ($27.05)
SB ($44.15)
BB ($29.50)
UTG ($34.70)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 8, 6, 7, T.
UTG calls $0.50, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.50, 1 fold, MP3 calls $0.50, 1 fold, Button raises to $3.25, SB calls $3, 1 fold, UTG raises to $14.5, Hero calls $14, MP3 folds, Button calls $11.25, SB calls $11.25.

Flop: ($59) 7, T, 3 (4 players)
SB bets $29.65 (All-In), UTG calls $20.20 (All-In), Hero raises to $48.3, Button calls $12.55 (All-In).

Turn: ($169.70) A (4 players, 3 all-in)

River: ($169.70) 6 (4 players, 3 all-in)

Final Pot: $169.70
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Old 11-07-2006, 02:01 AM #2 (permalink)  
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Wait... are you just joking around?
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Old 11-07-2006, 02:17 AM #3 (permalink)  
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 Is this really a good PF call?
In all honesty you could be ahead on this flop to players with overpairs in their hand.
I just dont see myself playing this hand to that big of a PF raise.
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Old 11-07-2006, 02:41 AM #4 (permalink)  
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I thought this was considered a premium hand in PLO? I'm just about 50-50 against AA and I'll know exactly where I'm at on most flops so it seems like I should be able to play the hand profitably. I feel like I should be more likely to play this hand than an AA hand here unless it's a good AA hand. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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Old 11-07-2006, 05:17 AM #5 (permalink)  
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I thought this was considered a premium hand in PLO? I'm just about 50-50 against AA and I'll know exactly where I'm at on most flops so it seems like I should be able to play the hand profitably. I feel like I should be more likely to play this hand than an AA hand here unless it's a good AA hand. Correct me if I'm wrong.
PLO can be a tricky game. A hand like this relies a lot on implied odds and making wraparound straight draws. Even so, 678T with one flush isn't a premium hand. Having the gap (the 9) at the top makes it a lot worse than if you had 689T (with the gap at the high end you will lose much more often to a higher rundown like 9TJQ). Plus if you end up all in against even a so-so pair of aces you're taking the worst of it:

cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
8s Tc 7h 6h 447877 41.24 638131 58.76 0 0.00 0.412
Ks Ac Ad 8d 638131 58.76 447877 41.24 0 0.00 0.588

Preflop, I would fold once it's a two pot raises back to me. If the first raisor has AAxx, he's going to repot and and you'll find yourself as a pretty big dog (even if it goes 3-4way all in) if you call.

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against AA and I'll know exactly where I'm at on most flops
While this is true (especially against people who will get themselves stacked easily with AAxx), the fact that you're getting 1/4 of your stack in preflop negates your implied odds. Plus there will likely be at least one other caller, you will have no idea where you are at against them. If they have a better rundown hands like 89TJ then you will often be in serious trouble.
Some days it feels like I've been standing forever, waiting for the bank teller to return so I can cash in all these Sklansky Bucks.
 
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Old 11-07-2006, 07:03 AM #6 (permalink)  
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 Preflop: I would fold, your hand is marginal and you are in MP, I may limp it from the button or complete the SB with it, but not from MP.

Flop: With so much action in front of you no way your hand is good, most probable scenario is someone has a set and another has either the nut flush draw or a wraaround str8.


 
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Old 11-07-2006, 12:54 PM #7 (permalink)  
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I really thought this was a joke post, sorry.

In Omaha, hands are usually 60-40. Unlike hold em, no hand holds a significant edge over any random hand. Also, a push, a call, then you.. you have to fold here. You have 2 pair (which is never the nuts). If you are going all in, you need more then a current hand. You have to have draws to better hands.

And as always, fold preflop.
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Old 11-07-2006, 05:59 PM #8 (permalink)  
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And as always, fold preflop.
The first time around?
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Old 11-07-2006, 11:58 PM #9 (permalink)  
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You want more draws in your hand to be playing as 2nd person in.

Remember, PLO is about nuts and nut redraws. ex: on this flop TT Axs/89s. You'd have the current nuts (TT) with the best redraws (flush, straight, boat/quads).

If this were PLO8 (hi/lo), TTA2s would be good to have as you have current nuts, nut flush draw + nut low draw as a backup.

Unlike hold em, omaha is about the hand you are drawing to instead of the hand you currently have. There are many cards out that can break 2 pair (such as that turn).
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