Originally Posted by Ragnar4

3 betting the button, to me, screams, I have aces, kings, Queens, AK or KQs.

Originally Posted by Ragnar4

3 betting the button, to me, screams, I have aces, kings, Queens, AK or KQs.

I think a check, call on the flop, and either a check raise on the turn, or a simple raise on the turn both would suggest you represent a flush, and might get him out. If he doesn't back down here, I'm not quite sure I pay off the river.

raising with 97d? No sir, I don't like it.

Originally Posted by pokerfanatic

open raising 97s your welcome to sit on my right in the 2/4 6max game...

Originally Posted by pokerfanatic

Mistakes in your statement playing 0.5/1 6max, and thinking...


I) you think that people actually notice the hands you are playing, sure some might but you didn't tell me what kind of players these were so I assume they are the typical piss poor 0.5/1 6max player...

II) You think you have gained fold equity against too loose of blind players assuming you are up against typical 0.5/1 donkeys and you used the word "think"...

III) You believe that the button, will 3bet here to isolate sorry that doesn't happen at 0.5/1 6max unless you are playing the FTR game...

IV) you call down with mid pair when just about any possible hand he could 3 bet beats you... even if you figure this range on a 3 bet AA-99, AKo/AKs, AQo/AQs he still has a 85% on his range to win on the flop, and about 75% on the turn... and he is still about a 70% to win on his range...

V) Would he really fire all three barrels? You have given every indication you are calling down...

VI) my point is that because you made a very thin play and probably a bad one PF you made many mistakes post flop... so it's not about if I know what hand you're raising it's I know you wont fold middle pair... your a calling station...

I’m not trying to sound like an ass, but these are the reasons people including myself said you are more then welcome to sit on our right in our 6max game… this is not a standard hand IMO…

Originally Posted by stingo0

But you never know what i am raising with and suited
adds it that slight power needed to catch backdoor and hit for cheap in position.

Originally Posted by pokerfanatic

open raising 97s your welcome to sit on my right in the 2/4 6max game...

Originally Posted by Demiparadigm

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed)
Preflop: Hero is UTG with 7, 9.
Hero raises

Originally Posted by thenonsequitur

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Originally Posted by Demiparadigm

Hand 1

Originally Posted by pokerfanatic

i think you hands are just as bad actully, you got folds but to me i think that you found the ones that worked and didn't post the ones that didn't...

Originally Posted by demiparadigm

I am running 0.5BB/hand the times I have open raised 79s.
But in the last 50K hands and 160 79s I have raised with it 12 times.... So I am not trying to imply it is my default play.

Originally Posted by pokerfanatic

Demi, in the 2/4 game people know where the fold button is ha-ha My points were to make him THINK before raising about the blind play, where raising 97s might not be that bad in situation the blinds know where the fold button is instead of the auto call any raise button, then it would be an acceptable play in SOME circumstances, not ALL.

I actually played about 5k hands of 0.5/1 6max and around 15k hands of 1/2 6max they play the same. I tried not to get cute when I got cute I lost bets, If I didn’t get cute then I’d came away profiting around 20-30bb for my sessions that were 2 or 3 hours long… I think that you have to have a solid post flop game as well to make this pre flop raise, and from his example I don’t think he played it well post flop.

i think you hands are just as bad actully, you got folds but to me i think that you found the ones that worked and didn't post the ones that didn't...

Originally Posted by pokerfanatic

i have never seen a "tight" 0.5/1 or 1/2 table on party if there is why are you playing it?

Originally Posted by chardrian

I agree it's a small range but I think Ragnar deserves an explanation.

IMO, the Button three bet has a much wider range there because even if the button has a playable, but not great hand, he will want to three bet in order to drive the blinds out and make the hand heads up.

Originally Posted by elipsesjeff

Sometimes Demi I think you would be a better No Limit player than a Limit player. You can only defie the percentages for so long in LHE before you eventually go broke. You do not have enough implied odds or folding equity to make such a play.

It's like limp reraising UTG with 72o....

Originally Posted by Ragnar4

I appreciate the explanation.

There are several things I'm still trying to learn. I'm getting pot odds, calling equity and what not. But I still have a hard time with understanding things like isolation with a wide range of hands even when the Button doesn't have the best of it.

Argumentatively, the 3/6 I play in doesn't respect those kinds of situations, and aggressiveness only seems to cost you chips. Unless you have a huge favorite hand like Aces, Kings, Queens AK, AQs, and KQs,

Truth be told, I get a lot of crap for being too tight too, but I'm also a consistant winner.

I may have to broaden my Range of hands though in order to try this little doozie out, 3 bet from the button with more hands to isolate and aggressively take out a c/o raise. sounds like a plan