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Demiparadigm
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09-16-2006, 05:41 AM
Post subject: A standard 2 pair hand
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4-of-a-Kind
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Hi, haven't posted a hand in a while.
Figured I'd get back in the habit.
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Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $2/$4
4 players
Converter
Pre-flop: (4 players) Demi is BB with 9 J
UTG calls, Button folds, SB raises, Demi calls, UTG calls.
Flop: 9 6 J (6SB, 3 players)
SB checks, Demi bets, UTG raises, SB calls, Demi 3-bets, UTG calls, SB caps, Demi calls, UTG calls.
Turn: T (9BB, 3 players)
SB checks, Demi bets, UTG calls, SB raises, Demi calls, UTG calls.
River: T (15BB, 3 players)
SB bets, Demi folds, UTG calls.
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kyc12
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Join Date: Jul 2006
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w/o UTG you may have to call just in case of a bluff. With 3 player here, fold is fine I think.
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Ltrain
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Flush
Join Date: Aug 2005
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What do you know of SB? TAG or fish it is definitely a set, maniac or lag add a badly played overpair. Either way, I don't think you can fold the turn after the checkraise, although another 9 on the river has a possibility of losing to Jacks over 9's. River fold is good.
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"Don't judge a man until you have walked a mile in his shoes. Then you are a mile away, and have his shoes." - Anon.
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arkitekton
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Flush
Join Date: Apr 2006
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In the context of the hand as it was played, I can't see this. There are 16 big bets in, and far, far more than one time in 17+ I've seen utg w top pair good kicker and the small blind w an overpair. This scenario is completely consistent with the flop betting, and only requires a somewhat aggressive player in the small blind to check raise you, then bet out on the river, as indeed happened.
Folding at 16+ to 1 when an opponent plays somewhat (but not maniacally) aggressively has to be a huge mistake.
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bigspenda73
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Straight Flush
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I think your getting 13-1 on the turn to call the SB raise. Looks like you have at most 4 outs, even less if JJ/TT/99. It's about 11:1 to call. Thing is, you know you're beat on the turn. You're getting odds to call, just like any draw, but you miss the river. I know the pot is huge but Id say you are more than 95% sure you are beat unless villain has shown you many bluffs. Honestly, what can you beat on the river?
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sinky
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Flush
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Originally Posted by arkitekton
In the context of the hand as it was played, I can't see this. There are 16 big bets in, and far, far more than one time in 17+ I've seen utg w top pair good kicker and the small blind w an overpair. This scenario is completely consistent with the flop betting, and only requires a somewhat aggressive player in the small blind to check raise you, then bet out on the river, as indeed happened.
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If they had top pair good kicker or an overpair then the board pairing on the river counterfits your hand.
I think I can fold with 99% certainty that I am beat here.
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Ltrain
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Flush
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Originally Posted by sinky
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Originally Posted by arkitekton
In the context of the hand as it was played, I can't see this. There are 16 big bets in, and far, far more than one time in 17+ I've seen utg w top pair good kicker and the small blind w an overpair. This scenario is completely consistent with the flop betting, and only requires a somewhat aggressive player in the small blind to check raise you, then bet out on the river, as indeed happened.
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If they had top pair good kicker or an overpair then the board pairing on the river counterfits your hand.
I think I can fold with 99% certainty that I am beat here. |
Exactly...
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"Don't judge a man until you have walked a mile in his shoes. Then you are a mile away, and have his shoes." - Anon.
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arkitekton
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Flush
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If they had top pair good kicker or an overpair then the board pairing on the river counterfits your hand.
I think I can fold with 99% certainty that I am beat here.
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Agreed. I promise in future not to post after my bedtime.
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